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Hello, everyone, everywhere.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau here.

Welcome to the Kingdom Crossroads podcast.

Today we're so blessed you're joining us.

You know, recent news, the Israeli Palestinian conflict.

You know, it's.

Folks, this is one of the most complex and long standing disputes in modern history.

It's rooted in decades of territorial, political and cultural tensions.

And understanding its origins requires a closer look at historical events including, you know, the British mandates and the partitioning of the land.

And our guest today, Deborah Cohen, has done just that in her compelling new book, Jewish Palestine, Arab Palestine, A History of Conflict.

But Deborah's story just doesn't start with history books.

Amen.

Amen begins on the rock and roll stage where she once opened for Joan Jett, Praise the Lord.

From there, she embarked on an extraordinary journey of spiritual discovery, overcoming addiction and depression and converting to Judaism and channeling her passion for truth and faith into her music, her writing and her advocacy.

Amen.

Now she's here to share her insights, her inspiring life story and her mission to bring understanding to one of the world's most misunderstood conflicts.

Help me.

Welcome to the program, Deborah Cohen.

Deborah, it is such a blessing to have you join us today.

Well, thank you, Pastor Bob.

What an enthusiastic intro.

I appreciate it.

You make me feel real.

Welcome.

Thank you.

Amen.

Amen.

Now, other than that brief information I just shared, can you tell us in your own words, who is Deborah Cohen?

Oh, how much time do I have?

You have to.

I don't know if you know, I just celebrated my 70th birthday, so.

Really?

Yes.

So, I mean, congratulations.

Thank you.

I never thought I'd live this long, but God has stopped for coffee.

I'll be catching you here in a few weeks.

So.

Okay.

Well, basically the Beatles turned me into a musician in the 60s with the Beatlemania theme.

And I was right there watching Ed Sullivan with my Polaroid camera and black and white TV at my nana's house.

Nana and grandpa.

And I was hooked on the music and, you know, that branched out into Other kinds of music, like even the Supremes.

I loved the Motown sound.

And, you know, my mother, she had us watching a lot of Boob Tube.

So Laughing was one of the regular shows.

And what was the other one?

Snoopy and Geraldine.

All those weird things.

Anyway, yeah, so don't forget Mr.

Rogers, Captain Kangaroo.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood.

I still sing that song.

But anyway, so I just fast forward.

Got went to college for music in Brookline, Massachusetts.

And I did not graduate from music college because I discovered I had dyslexia and had real trouble reading the bass clef and the treble clef.

My brain would take a switch the piano.

And my left hand would start playing the treble clef.

I'm like, that's wrong.

Anyway, so I wanted to be a music teacher.

And it just didn't work out.

So I thought, okay, I'm gonna learn on my Les Paul, which is behind me, the same one I had when I was 22.

And as soon as I could figure out how to play barre chords, the 1, 4, 5 progression, dropped out and joined a band in Boston.

And the band at the time was called NPC and the Instigators.

We had some radio airplay on BCN Boston.

You can still hear Boston Nights on my CD.

It's called 80s, of course, because it was the 80s.

You can find that online.

And, you know, I just wanted to be a rock and roll chick.

And unfortunately, there was a lot of free drugs that came with that lifestyle.

And I do remember opening up for Joan Jett.

I'll never forget.

It was such a thrill to see her up there.

And to think that we were opening for her at the Rat, the favorite place to play in Kenmore Square, now defunct, of course.

But anyway, I just started taking too much time partying.

And I really lost my way.

You know, it's really sad.

But people that do take drugs, in hindsight, I know they take them because they're masking pain.

And the abusive childhood experience.

I'll skip over, because it's just not helpful except to go to counseling, which I did.

And anyway, so I almost died from a drug overdose.

And I cried out to God, whom I didn't know at that time, was brought up Catholic.

Because we sort of knew that we knew about God, but we really didn't have a working relationship with God.

And it was pre Vatican ii, so it was extremely strict.

I guess you could say you couldn't go into the church without a head covering, which I really liked, because it Made me feel holy.

Anyway, so I called out to God, which surprised me when I was checking out, because I didn't really spend any time with him, really.

But I asked him, I said, God, if you let me live, I will serve you.

And I thought, what is this I'm saying?

But, you know, when you're dying, you'll do something.

If you don't want to go, you'll grab at straws.

And that was all I could think of, was to call out to God and he let me live.

So, oh, now I have to keep my word.

Because I.

I come from a generation where your word was good enough.

You know, word and a handshake.

If somebody said yes, that was their word.

You didn't need all these papers.

Yeah, that was a contract.

Yeah, that was a contract.

Just like the Bible, you know, it was an oath.

If you make a promise to God, it's a promise.

You know, he does give you exceptions.

I mean, forgiveness if you repent.

But, you know, your word, it matters.

And I'm glad that I grew up that way.

So I honored my word to God.

And that led me to a trip to Israel in 99 to study the Gospels at the Jerusalem Institute in Israel.

And that's where I discovered that Jesus was a Jew.

I'm like, I had never heard that before.

I'm like, wait a minute, I don't understand.

I didn't hear this at all.

In Catholicism, I found out that the disciples, most of them were Jewish.

And I discovered by thinking logically, wait a minute, if Jesus was a Jew, then what was he teaching?

And I guess I just thought he was teaching the New Testament.

And talk about dumb, but I just was ignorant.

I didn't think about, wait a minute.

He wasn't teaching the New Testament because it was written 60 years after he died.

So.

Hello.

So I.

Well, wait a minute.

He was teaching the Old Testament?

Are you kidding me?

I was told that Jesus came to fulfill the law, so we don't have to study that part of the Bible anymore.

Thinking, well, wait a minute, it's.

Something's off with my theology.

So anyway, when I had more questions when I left that institute than when I went.

And because I thought I knew mostly everything I needed to know before I went there.

And so when I came back, I was looking for a church that taught the Torah.

And because that's what I learned, that Yeshua taught the Torah.

But I couldn't find a church that in my area that would teach the Torah because they all believe that that's done we don't study that, you know, And I can't believe that because how much you probably know.

Pastor, what percentage of the New Testament is the Old Testament quotes?

Just about all of it.

Yeah, it's about 80% ish.

Right.

So how can you not look at the Old Testament when that's what the New Testament is full of?

Exactly.

And when you.

When you're.

When you're quoting from the New Testament and you say, well, Jesus said this, this, or this.

Okay, why.

Why was he emphasizing that?

So you got to go back to read the Old Testament and the setting.

The setting to figure it out.

And almost when you do that, it's like, duh.

Yeah.

I mean, all the light bulbs are going on.

So I.

I started studying online because I couldn't find a.

In my area.

I think I was in Tennessee at the time.

And Rico Cortez is a messianic Jew.

And so he was teaching a lot of depth, deeper.

Like Apostle Paul says, the mysteries.

I wish you all knew the mysteries.

But it just takes a deeper dive into the New Testament.

And I just became very soul thirsty for the truth.

And as a result of that, of course, I had to change my circle of friends because my rock and roll friends are saying, what do you.

Who are you?

You changed.

Who are.

You know.

And they didn't want to hear.

Yeah, they didn't want to hear about Jesus this and Jesus that.

And my license plate had the word pneuma on it, which P N E U M A is the Holy Spirit in Greek.

And everybody thought, yeah, and everybody thought, like, what?

This girl's a W wacko.

I was thinking, I guess I need to become a nun.

So there's something wrong with that picture right there.

Unless he's got some kind of physical illness.

And as a matter of fact, I think some of the Bibles have the word glutton removed from it for certain reasons.

But anyway, so I just asked him, you know, Father Bob, he asked me if I had any questions.

I told him I did not want to be a cloistered nun because they stay in a closet all day and pray.

I wanted to go out and meet people.

And so I asked him, I said, you know, like, well, I've been to other churches, you know, I've been kind of checking churches around and I noticed that some of them allow female priests.

So I was just kind of wondering, why don't Catholics allow female priests?

Well.

Well, he shot up out of his chair.

I swear I saw smoke blowing out of his ears.

And he got so indignant and offended.

And he said, well, before you make a lifetime commitment, something you obviously know little about, I suggest you go home and read your Bible, little girl.

And he showed me to the front door.

I'm like, oh, that was so abrupt.

I couldn't believe he had no answer for me, Just reaction.

So, of course, Catholic upbringing mindset.

They think the priest is like, equal with God, you know, that's I guess why they kiss the.

I wouldn't kiss the ring.

I'm not going to kiss no guy's hand.

He's a human being.

So anyway, I got in trouble a lot at Catholic school, but I ignorantly said, you know, it was 2:00 in the afternoon in Maine.

I'm standing on the granite steps.

And I said, I shaking my fist at God, if that's what you're like, I'll have nothing more to do with you.

And I packed my bags and moved to Nashville to become a blues singer because I was so sorry.

Sorry.

Life, you know, just going around in circles.

Can't figure out what in the world I'm doing.

So anyway, I went down there and how.

I mean, I don't know how much you want me to get into this, because it really isn't helpful to anybody to say that.

Yeah, not a problem.

Like I said, I know I had to laugh a little bit because when I.

I'm not going to go through my story.

My listeners have heard it before, but I was before I was born again.

I was, let's just say, lost.

But the.

But I was on the verge of suicide.

I'd made the decision, that's the end of it, you know.

And I called up the God and said, you know, I said, I can't do this anymore.

I made my decision and that's it.

Unless you can fix this, I'm done.

If you fix it, I don't care.

I'll be a preacher for I don't care, but I'm done.

Yeah.

And my.

I was gonna wait till the next morning to do it because I wanted to tell my kids how much I loved them one more time.

They were young and I.

They already in bed.

And so I, I had traveled because of business from our home down to Georgia, Columbus, Georgia.

And I was in this little dumpy one room apartment.

No bed or furniture, anything.

I was sleeping on the carpet, on the floor.

But my wife had made me take my Bible with me and as my grandfather's Bible and no TV or anything in there, so there's nothing to do while I was waiting for appointments.

So I read the Bible, right?

And in the front there was three columns.

Pick any column you could read the Bible through in a year.

Oh, nothing to do.

I'd read one column in the morning, one column in the afternoon, and one column in the night before I went to bed.

And so after I got done crying and made the decision that's what I was going to do, crawled out to God like that.

I laid down and the streetlight was shining through the nation.

Blind.

Landed right on the Bible.

I said, oh, I forgot to read my scripture tonight.

Well, I guess it'll be a good thing to tell God as least I was reading his Word on the way out, right?

The scripture for that night was Psalms 34.

And I started reading it and said, the Lord has heard this poor man cry and shall deliver him from all his trouble in verse seven.

And immediately I could feel the presence of the Holy Spirit.

And that just changed my whole perspective on everything.

I called my wife and as I'm coming home, we can be just as broke together as we can apart.

And that changed everything.

Well, three years later, God called me into the ministry through Ezekiel chapter two and chapter three, where he said, I'm sending you to the people of your own nation.

I was sending people of a hard speech and language you don't understand.

I sent you them, they'd listen.

I'm sending you to the old people here in the United States because they don't want to hear it anymore.

Yeah, yeah, you said, but don't worry, I've made your head harder than their heads.

And I've been called a hard head my whole life is like, wow, this is a God thing.

You know?

And so, but, but then I got thinking, no, no, no, no, no, no, I can't do ministry.

You know, you, you, you obviously don't know the life I've lived.

Right, right.

The guilt trip.

Yeah.

And I kept, I kept fighting it, fighting, fighting it.

And this brings me to the point I was going to make when.

Because one day God said, did you lie to me, Lord?

When would I ever lie to you?

No, absolutely not.

And then he replayed that night where I said, you get, I don't care.

I'll be a preacher for you.

I don't care.

Did you lie to me that right then?

No.

Okay, so what's your answer?

Okay.

That's how I got into ministry.

That's why I was laughing when you went through that.

You know, like shaking your hand at God.

Oh, yeah, I know, I know.

He.

His plans are definitely not our plans.

And I'm sure he has a chuckle.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

But your career started in rock and roll.

Open like, hey, man, I love rock and roll.

You don't want me.

You don't want me singing on here.

How did your experience as a.

As a musician shape the way you approach storytelling in your book and on your podcast?

Well, on my podcast, it's called A Story and a Song, and you can find that on Spotify or wherever podcasts are aired.

But I decided that, well, I get to be this age, and you start thinking about what you're going to leave behind, you know, like.

And you start becoming selfless and getting rid of selfishness.

When you serve God, he teaches you first to love yourself within, because you have to have something inside to give way.

And if you don't love yourself, and I'm not talking about conceited, saying, with the love of God, he loves each one of us individually.

So we need to heal the brokenness that keeps us from looking in the mirror into eyes with his love.

That's the first thing.

Then when you have an overflow which comes from prayer, daily prayer.

He fills our cup runeth over.

You know, goodness and mercy shall follow us all the days of our lives.

We will dwell in his house forever.

Well, then, of course, people want to know why you're smiling.

You know, and to this day, I get people my own age, you know, I'm talking about 70s now that think I'm on drugs.

Like, why are you so happy?

I'm like, are you kidding me?

It's the joy of the Lord.

That's my strength.

You know, what's wrong with you people?

You're just so depressed.

I know.

Hey, my life isn't all a bed of roses either.

But if you spend enough time in the Word in prayer and he feeds your soul, then you've got something to share with somebody else.

So I thought, okay, this podcast is.

I try to make it be about a song that I've written because I've been writing songs since I was 22.

A song where I was in my life and the lesson in the song or what was going on in the scenes behind the song.

And so that kind of ties my music together with my podcast.

And I also have a blog on Substack, I think it's called.

Yeah, but the book kind of came out of nowhere.

You know, I've had, like, a supernatural burden for other people that I don't know.

Once you have this love, God starts showing each one of us, individually and collectively, the reason why we're here.

At each point in our life, it changes.

It's not just one thing.

And then you're done with your assignment.

There's always something you can do to take your last breath.

Well, back in Nashville, I got a vision.

I was praying, and I was looking into the spirit of things and saw map of Sudan.

Now, keep in mind, I didn't know nothing about Sudan.

I didn't even know where it was.

And in my prayer, you know, if you spend a lot of time, this is the mysteries that Paul's talking about, the deeper level of prayer, not just the literal sense.

Well, I asked God while my eyes were closed, where is Sudan?

And in this colored map, I saw a black outline traced around the red color, which had the block letter Sudan.

So I saw that, and I'm like, okay, I don't know where that is, but it looks like it's in the continent of Africa.

So I got in my car, and at that time, it was in the 90s.

So I drove down to Was it Davis Kidd bookstore on Hillsborough Road?

I think got a map out of Africa and smack dab in the country.

There it is.

Sudan.

I'm like, I don't know anything about Sudan, but it was a supernatural vision.

So I started exploring and found out that the Sudanese Christians in the south were at war with the Arab Christians.

No, the Arab Muslims in the north, and the Arab Muslims in the north were doing a genocide on the Christians in the south.

So I was compelled to help them and actually ended up hooking up with a Baptist church, because the church I was going to at the time was, I think, a Pentecostal church.

And we worked with the UNHCR and brought a Sudanese family into the United States through this resettlement program with the un.

They stayed in my home until they could get their own place.

Husband and wife with three or four kids.

I forget what it was, but that was something that stayed with me.

I noticed this kind of burden.

It was beyond crying.

It was heavy, and I'd never experienced that before.

The same burden wolf sits on my chest.

And I'm like, oh, Lord, I know you're going to ask me to do something.

I'm like, okay, so you gotta ask the question.

Close your eyes in prayer.

Okay, Lord, what am I supposed to be doing with this feeling?

And the answer was write a book.

So I'm like, I never wrote a book before.

So I'm like, okay, I can learn, you know.

And shazam.

I had all the information I needed to get this book started.

And it's doing very well on Amazon.

You can read all the reviews and see how it's helping people.

What it is, it's an outline of a series of events during the British Mandate when the statehood of Israel came into existence.

And everybody should be asking, well, wait a minute, why didn't these supposedly Arab Palestinians get their own state?

That doesn't sound like right in the negotiation of things.

And then I found out, the more I talk about this, the more I learn.

It's an ongoing learning thing.

But I found out that President Reagan was partnering with the Saudi Arabia Prince Fahad, and they offered the Palestinian Arabs a state through their leader, Yeser Arafat, the Egyptian.

And Arafat refused statehood.

It's more than once.

And I thought, well, wait a minute.

All these people in America today from college that are flying those Hamas flags in pro Palestinian rights, don't they know the reason that the Palestinians refused a piece of land in Transjordan?

And if you actually look at a Palestinian flag, the leaders at that time just took the star off the flag of Jordan and then called the same flag Palestine.

So I'm like, hello, they're Jordanians.

That's 60% of Jordan is Palestinian.

But of course, you know, and Egypt because of Yasser Arafat.

But the Egyptians don't want these Palestinians and Jordan doesn't want them because isn't it ironic that they're not opening up their borders for these poor Palestinians in Gaza?

And the reasons that I've heard is because they don't want to cripple the Palestinians from getting their own state.

Well, isn't that a nice reason not to help your brothers and sisters that are starving to get supposedly, you know, anyway.

And also I heard a excerpt from a Saudi prince that said the Palestinians are not from.

Ishmael that blew my socks off.

This Saudi and this.

The Saudis snicker under their breast because they know the truth.

They say Palestinians are displaced from the following.

Let's see, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 people nations.

They are Mongols, Turks, Circassians, Armenians and Gypsies.

Yeah.

I'm like, oh, was that a video?

I think I seen a video about that.

Yes, absolutely.

And when I tried to post it on YouTube, it was pulled down because they didn't like the way he said what he said.

They thought it was hate speech.

I'm like, no.

Okay, so let me just share one more tidbit because I want you to get my book and it's a basic outline to help you get started.

Anytime I've ever read anything about this Israeli Palestinian conflict, I leave more confused.

After I read something I don't understand it, it's over my head.

But I've made this book that I wrote as a nonfiction historical factual information to give you a basic outline and understanding so that you can from there pursue more study or be an advocate for Israel and go and learn it in Bible studies.

Ask your pastor to share it with his people and spread the word to help the reputation of Israel because they're getting a bad rap by all of these haters.

They've turned the word, these haters, I dare to wear this Zionist shirt because Zion is 152 times mentioned in the Bible.

So these people that are like saying that Zionists are occupiers, they're speaking against the word of God.

Zion is a synonym for Jerusalem, and it's the holy city that belongs to God.

So a Zionist is somebody that believes that Israel has the right to exist and they believe that Jerusalem is the capital city of Israel.

So but if you don't know that, then you start wondering that maybe what these haters, these propaganda, maybe they have, maybe they're saying the truth.

You don't know, Right?

So.

But it becomes crystal clear when you read my book.

So let me just give you one more tidbit.

There's no such thing as the Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem in the Quran, which I've studied the Quran as well.

So you don't have to be afraid to study the book.

In the Quran, it states the Al Aqsa is located in warana, which is 29 km from the city of Taif, which has two mosques there.

The first is the Al Aqsa and the second is the Al Adna.

And so the question would be.

Wait a minute.

Okay, so if that big Thing that's in the middle of the Temple Mount there, that's supposedly the Al Aqsa.

If it, you know, if that's not it, how, how can you say that's not it?

Everybody in the whole world believes that's, that's the Al Aqsa Mosque because that's what people call it.

But wait a minute.

If you read the Quran, the Al Aqsa was built in 682 A.D.

by Hisham.

Well, wait a minute.

Then Muhammad didn't go to the Al Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount because Muhammad was born 570 AD to 632 AD so he died before the Al Aqsa Mosque on the Temple Mount was built.

That's right.

The end of the argument.

Yep.

So you see how important it is to get the book.

You can get it debra cohen books.org and get it on Amazon or get it wherever and you know, get educated.

Yeah.

How do you see your book contributing to the discussion going on with the Israeli Palestinian conflict today?

Well, you know, like I said, you can't participate with any conversation if you don't have the facts.

You don't have to know it all, but you need to at least be able to.

And I have to walk around with the book in my hand because there's so much information.

Once you start this basic outline, which is what my book offers, you can add more in the book.

Just like the Bible, you mark it all up, right.

And then carry it with you.

It becomes a conversation tool.

What are you reading there?

You know.

Oh yeah, see, I've got this book here and I've got so much.

What do you know about the, you know, the statehood of Israel?

Did you ever ask yourself, you know, why don't the Palestinians have their own state?

Well, here I can show you based on these facts in this book and talk about it for the sake of building one nation under one God.

And we're talking with facts instead of propaganda.

And it strengthens the relationship with our, our allies, Israel and, you know, I mean, these haters, you know, you don't want to use it as a tool to hit them over the head with like a Bible thumper.

That's not what you do.

You pray first, right.

Always before you're going to approach somebody that hates you.

And God will provide an opening for when you need to say what you need to say.

And, and it doesn't mean you're going to be able to talk to them.

And even if you do that, because sometimes the person's not ready the timing's off, you know, so you have to pray for God to send somebody else along their path to open their eyes to the truth, man.

And you've.

You faced a lot of pushback, including being banned on TikTok.

I mean, how is.

How has censorship affected your ability to share the message?

And how do you navigate those challenges?

Oh, I tell you, it's been a interesting trip.

You know, when I first thought of writing this book, after I got that unction to do so, I thought, lord, you know, I don't want to make any waves.

I'm a peacemaker.

You know, this is what I was thinking back then.

I'm like, find somebody else that, you know, like, not me.

But, you know, if the bird won't leave you, then, you know, that's your assignment, you know, and God will find somebody else if you just flat out refuse.

But I promise you, you won't be happy, you know, if God takes his presence, his spirit away from you.

If you spend a lot of time with God in prayer, you'd be able to feel tangible departure when he.

When you feel that emptiness coming.

Oh, get on your knees.

It's time to get on your knees.

So I just, you know, yes, I've been.

I was temporarily banned from YouTube the first time I tried to get this shirt.

These are my shirts that I sell merch as a musician, right?

You just look for my artist profile on Amazon.

Well, Amazon turned this shirt design down and said it was too provocative.

I'm like, what?

You've got other.

And I.

So I looked on Amazon and did a search for shirts, Zion shirts.

There's other people that are selling shirts with Zion on it.

So what, you got a problem with the lion?

Is that what it is?

Or like, what's your problem?

So I just said, you know what?

I appealed it, and it went forever with them trying to figure out whether or not they should approve my shirt.

I just said, you know, I'm going to resubmit it.

So I did.

They approved it the second time because I was going to fight them, you know, I was going to say, look, you've got people selling shirts that says Zion on it.

You can't tell me I can't have one on there anyway.

And then I get this after that, because, you know, this is the wheel rolling.

Once you do something for God, it's not just, okay, you're done with that.

No, it turns into something else, and more opportunities come to you.

So I wrote this song because the burden was still there and called Zion and The lyrics start out, have you heard about Zion?

Where some people still believe in God's kingdom?

Those are the opening lines, you know, And I want it.

I want the world to understand what Zion is.

I want the pastors like you, Pastor Bob, tell people, what is Zion in the Bible?

Because these people that are spewing hatred against Zion and Zionists, they're speaking against Bible, they're speaking against the Bible.

And so, you know, maybe they don't even know that.

So as a believer, did you know that Zion is a place in the Bible?

What do you know?

Just ask them, what do you know about Zion in the Bible?

Did you know it's in there?

Did you know it's the place where God dwells?

You know, did you know it's Mount Moriah?

You know, you can list all these little notes once you start getting the book, my book.

Every God will show you new things every week.

And it's, it's very.

I find it fascinating.

It's so interesting.

Oh, and it keeps you close to each other and you get excited and share it with people and.

Yeah.

How can someone order a copy of your book again?

Is it on Amazon or in the bookstore?

Yeah, it's on Amazon.

Just do a search for.

On Amazon for Jewish Palestine, Arab Palestine, A History of Conflict by Deborah Cohen.

Or you can just do a Google search for that.

It's a long title, I know, but, you know, look up Deborah Cohen.

Yeah, make sure you spell it D E B R A.

Because, you know, when I, when I do my substack transcript, it automatically spells my first name wrong.

Deborah, you know.

Yeah, yeah.

Someone has a question or they like to get more information, how they get in touch with you again.

Well, just the best way.

And actually, you know what?

You can get my book in a PDF for free.

If you don't have the money to buy the book, you can go to my website, debra cohenmusic.com and remember, it's D E B R A C O H E N.

And then click in the navigation bar where it says something about new book.

And it'll take you to a place where you can sign up for my newsletter.

Once you submit your email, you get an automatic free download of my book in PDF format because I want everybody to read the book.

You know, everybody.

The only ones I've had who have a problem with the book are those that hate Israel.

Yeah.

Amen.

That's right.

That's true.

Now, folks, Deborah Cohen's incredible journey from rock and roll musician to spiritual seeker and author.

It's nothing short of inspiring all by itself.

And her new book, Jewish Palestine, Arab Palestine A History of Conflict, uncovers the hidden truths behind the Israeli Palestinian conflict that you see happening on the news every single night.

And using rare documents and testimonies to provide a fresh perspective on this critical issue.

Deborah's music, rooted in faith and healing, continues to touch hearts today, and with her latest releases and podcasts, a story and a song, she's offering hope and inspiration to all of us.

Don't miss this chance to connect with Deborah, support her music, order her book, just click the links down below in the show notes and get in touch with Deborah today.

Deborah, I appreciate you taking the time out of your schedule to come join us today.

Thank you, Pastor Bob.

Amen, folks.

That's all the time we have for today for Deborah, Cole and myself, Pastor Bob, reminding you to be blessed in all that you do.

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