Episode 1641
How Trump's Leadership Aligns with Biblical Prophecies pt 1
How Trump's Leadership Aligns with Biblical Prophecies - Dr. Bob Thiel pt 1
Today's discussion centers around a thought-provoking discussion with Dr. Bob Thiel, a distinguished authority on prophecy, who helps us look into the intertwining of biblical prophecies with contemporary global events, particularly in the context of Donald Trump's presidency.
Dr. Thiel explores the notion that current geopolitical dynamics, from international conflicts to shifting alliances, may not merely be the result of political maneuverings but rather fulfillments of prophecies foretold in various Biblical texts.
Dr. Thiel brings his extensive background in theology, philosophy, and research to the discussion, providing insights into how Trump's leadership aligns with prophetic writings across multiple faiths, including Christianity and Islam.
The conversation probes the implications of these prophecies on the future, challenging listeners to reconsider their understanding of history and destiny.
As we conclude this great discussion, Dr. Thiel shares that what we are seeing right now, may possibly be the intertwining themes of prophecy, leadership, and global affairs lining up for Trump's presidency to set the stage for the greatest moment in human history - the soon return of Jesus!
Takeaways:
- Pastor Bob Thibodeau hosts the Kingdom Crossroads podcast, which features influential Christian figures sharing their impactful messages.
- In the episode, Dr. Bob Thiel discusses how Donald Trump's presidency aligns with various biblical and prophetic writings, challenging listeners' perceptions of current events.
- Dr. Thiel outlines the significance of prophecies from multiple religious perspectives, including biblical and Islamic views, on global leadership dynamics.
- The conversation reveals that Trump's administration has inadvertently influenced European military unity and spending, reflecting a shift in geopolitical alliances.
- Listeners learn about Dr. Thiel's extensive background in research and prophecy, emphasizing his authority on the subject matter discussed in the podcast.
- The episode encourages deeper contemplation on the relationship between prophecy and contemporary politics, urging audiences to consider unforeseen consequences of leadership changes.
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Book: “Donald Trump and America’s Apocalypse” – on Amazon
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Transcript
Welcome to the Kingdom Crossroads podcast with Pastor Bob Thibodeau.
Speaker A:Pastor Bob conducts personal interviews with Christian influencers from around the globe, helping Christian authors, recording artists, CEOs, entrepreneurs, nonprofit leaders, and yes, pastors and ministry leaders to get the word out about what they are doing to impact the world with the gospel.
Speaker A:Our podcast has been rated in the top 1/2% of all podcasts in the world by ListenNotes.com so you know your message will be heard.
Speaker A:Now, here is your host with today's interview, Pastor Bob Thibodeau.
Speaker B:Hello everyone, everywhere.
Speaker B:Pastor Bob Thibodeau here.
Speaker B:Welcome to the Kingdom Crossroads podcast today.
Speaker B:We're so blessed that you're joining us.
Speaker B:Have you ever wondered if world events are more than just political shifts and economic cycles?
Speaker B:What if everything happening right now, global conflicts, shifting alliances, even the leadership of President Donald Trump, was foretold long ago?
Speaker B:Today we're diving into a conversation that will challenge what you think that you know about history and prophecy and the future.
Speaker B:Today we're joined by Dr.
Speaker B:Bob Thiel, one of the world's foremost authorities on prophecy and a highly regarded researcher.
Speaker B:With multiple research awards and a background in theology, philosophy and science, Dr.
Speaker B:Thiel has authored numerous works on biblical and global prophecy.
Speaker B:He also leads the Continuing Church of God and has traveled extensively to study ancient sites and historical context.
Speaker B:In this interview, we're going to be discussing his book Unintended Consequences and Donald Trump's presidency, exploring how Trump's leadership aligns with biblical, Islamic and other prophetic writings.
Speaker B:The actual name of the book is Unintended Consequences and Donald Trump's presidency is Donald Trump fulfilling Biblical, Islamic, Greco Roman Catholic, Buddhist and other America related prophecies.
Speaker B:Since that's so long, I'll just refer to it in this interview as Unintended consequences or Unintended consequences in Donald Trump's presidency.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:With all that being said, help me welcome to the program Dr.
Speaker B:Bob Thiel.
Speaker B:Dr.
Speaker B:Bob, it is a blessing to finally get you on this program today.
Speaker B:I appreciate your time.
Speaker C:Thanks for having me.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:Now, the first question I always start with is this.
Speaker B:Other than that brief information I just share, can you tell us in your own words, who is Dr.
Speaker B:Bob Thiel?
Speaker C:A Christian.
Speaker C:I was actually raised Roman Catholic.
Speaker C:Then when I was a teenager, young teenager, somebody gave my youngest brother a New Testament and he didn't seem that interested in it.
Speaker C:So he gave it to me and I started to read it and when I started to read it, said, wow, this doesn't look anything like I heard from church so this is kind of different.
Speaker C:And then.
Speaker C:So for a while I attended something called the Salem Bible Church.
Speaker C:But then one day we were singing a particular song and afterwards I went up to the pastor, Now I'm only 16, and said, hey, we just sung about something.
Speaker C:But that isn't really what the Bible teaches, right?
Speaker C:He said, oh no, the Bible doesn't teach that.
Speaker C:And I said, then why are we singing this song?
Speaker C:Oh, well, because people like it.
Speaker C:So that was pretty much it.
Speaker C:And so I was not sure what I believe.
Speaker C:I mean, I had an idea.
Speaker C:I believe the Bible.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I wanted to make with that, but beyond that I wasn't sure.
Speaker C:I studied with the, I said the SDA church.
Speaker C:I studied the Mormons.
Speaker C:I looked at the Church of God, various ones, and ended up Church of God.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker C:So that was back in the 70s, so this is a long time, a long time since.
Speaker C:So that gives you a little bit of background.
Speaker C:I did spend some time in the military because I wasn't sure what to do.
Speaker C:At a young age I became a certified management accountant.
Speaker C:I was actually vice president, the company that invented irrigation sprinklers.
Speaker C:And I went back to school, got different degrees, and actually owned a nutritional supplement company.
Speaker C:But I spent most of my time overseeing the continuing Church of God.
Speaker C:We have people, I don't know, 15, 20 countries, I don't in that exact number.
Speaker C:Much smaller than the, the SDA church, but similar to the Seventh Day Adventists.
Speaker C:We do observe the seventh day Sabbath and we also don't eat biblically unclean meats.
Speaker C:And I'm somewhat familiar with fair amount of Adventist theology.
Speaker C:As a matter of fact, one of my employees is an SDA as well.
Speaker C:So maybe that helps a little bit.
Speaker C:And I started to write books on prophecy because I was writing a book on church history.
Speaker C:This is going back 20 years.
Speaker C:And I'm thinking.
Speaker C:And it was a very big, thick, long book.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And it was like 600 pages, single spaced, eight and a half by 11 when I was working at it.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C: is movie was coming out about: Speaker C:That's interesting.
Speaker C:Well, then we went to the movies again, I don't know, a month or two later.
Speaker C: hanged it to like November of: Speaker C:And I thought to myself, you know, instead of putting out this book on history, I had a lot of prophecy in this.
Speaker C: ybe I could put a book out on: Speaker C: So I wrote this book called: Speaker C: not going to end December of: Speaker C:But I did go through some other things that I thought would or would not happen.
Speaker C: And by the end of: Speaker C:But you mentioned non biblical prophecies.
Speaker C:Now what's funny about that and this actually now I think about it, will tie in with Donald Trump.
Speaker C:Is that one of the people I did an interview with back then, I did a bunch of radio interviews and there was somebody out of Sacramento and she had me on and she had gone through the book and said, well, you're talking about the beast and the Antichrist.
Speaker C:Everybody's going to know about this.
Speaker C:I already know about this stuff.
Speaker C:So they'll know it's coming.
Speaker C:I said.
Speaker C:She says, well, what do you mean?
Speaker C:I said, let me tell you something now first let your audience know I believe in biblical prophecy above all others.
Speaker C:But we also know about we're not supposed to be ignorant of Satan's devices.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker C:And Satan, in my opinion, has been planting his prophecies through his seers and false prophets for a long, long time.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker C:So I said to her, the Chinese from The Tang Dynasty, 6th to 9th century, they've got prophecies that beautiful people will come from the West.
Speaker C:I said, the west of China, probably Europe.
Speaker C:Then one of their prophecies says, europe now has.
Speaker C:Excuse me, China now has a saint, but he's not that good of a person.
Speaker C:Are the Chinese waiting for the Antichrist to rise up?
Speaker C:It's going through my head.
Speaker C:So I mentioned that to her.
Speaker C:So just like a billion and a half Chinese.
Speaker C:And then I said about the Greco Roman Catholics.
Speaker C:They have prophecies for going back to around the 4th century that says a leader is going to rise up.
Speaker C:He's called the great monarch.
Speaker C:He's supposed to rise up when Catholicism becomes weak in Europe.
Speaker C:That's kind of happening.
Speaker C:And then with that, a Pope that's supposed to rise up and he's going to do miracles and, and say he's the guy.
Speaker C:Well, I think you're talking about the beast and the false prophet there.
Speaker C:Okay, yeah.
Speaker C:So I said, so you got a billion and a half fed Eastern Orthodox.
Speaker C:Billion and a half 2 billion Catholic, Orthodox, Roman Catholics.
Speaker C:Orthodox.
Speaker C:That's a lot of people.
Speaker C:Now, what about Muslims?
Speaker C:Muslims, close to 2 billion of them, too, by the way.
Speaker C:Muslims have prophecies that they're going to make a deal with a Roman Catholic leader out of Europe and the a peace deal and that the Roman Catholic leader is going to break the deal.
Speaker C:Well, I know there's a deal mentioned in Daniel, chapter nine, verse 27, that's broken in the middle.
Speaker C:We also know that the person who makes the deal, he's called a Prince in Daniel 9.
Speaker C:26, but he's the king of the north in Daniel 11, and he breaks the deal in Daniel 11, verse 31.
Speaker C:So I said, so you got the Muslims are kind of setting up for this.
Speaker C:Now, I mentioned Donald Trump.
Speaker C:Now, this one's interesting.
Speaker C:I told this hostess, I said the Hindus have a prophecy that somebody called the Bhagwan Kalki is going to rise up and people are supposed to take up arms to support him and said, I've read Hindu writings and it doesn't look like it has to be a Hindu.
Speaker C:Now, what's this got to do with this stuff?
Speaker C:Oddly, and I don't think Donald Trump is the Bhagwan Kalki, by the way.
Speaker C:Bhagwan Kalki is supposed to be the last incarnation of Hindu false God Vishnu.
Speaker C:Okay, okay.
Speaker C:According to a guy by the name of.
Speaker C:Let me get his name right.
Speaker C:Vishnu Gupta.
Speaker C:He is or was a senator in India.
Speaker C:He's the chief of the Hindu Sena party.
Speaker C: Back in: Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C: cky is supposed to rise up in: Speaker C:Now, I do not believe that Donald Trump is the Bhagwan Kalki, but I do believe that his timing is consistent with certain biblical prophecies and that he's going to do certain things inadvertently to result in biblical prophecies to be fulfilled.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker C:That's a very long introduction.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:Well, you mentioned, you know, Catholicism and all that.
Speaker B:I don't want to get your opinion on this because of the health of the pope.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Now, I'm sure you're familiar with the Malachi prophecy.
Speaker C:Oh, yes.
Speaker B:About the last Pope.
Speaker B:What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker C:Actually, I wrote a book called the Last Pope that came out within a day of Francis being Pope.
Speaker C:But I also said if he didn't do certain do signs and lying wonders.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Which he hasn't done that.
Speaker C:He's not the guy.
Speaker C:Now, it's funny you should mention this, because I'm working on a new edition of that book just in case or this Francis dies.
Speaker C:Now, according to the Malachi prophecies, the Malachi was a bishop of Rome out of Ireland.
Speaker C:And according to legend, I think it's in the 12th century, he was heading over to Rome before he got to Vatican City, he saw this vision, and he wrote down in Latin a few words about each pope, future pope.
Speaker C:And it was.
Speaker C:He wrote down this, about 112 of them.
Speaker C:Now, this writing wasn't discovered until, like, the 16th century.
Speaker C:And people said that it's a fraud because it was too perfect.
Speaker C:It worked.
Speaker C:Everything from the 12th century popes up to the 16th century, they said this was a fraud in order to get people to elect this one guy Pope.
Speaker C:Maybe that.
Speaker C:You could say that, except if you looked at what happened afterwards, people have lined up with this.
Speaker C:Now, I didn't look at every single one, but I did look at a lot of them.
Speaker C:And Pope John Paul ii, for example, was called the labor of the sun.
Speaker C:And he was, I think he was born the day of a solar eclipse.
Speaker C:He died on the day of the solar eclipse and some other things like that.
Speaker C:And then number 111 was Benedict, and he was supposed to do something for the glory of the olive, and that was the symbol of the Benedictines.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And the next pope is supposed to be the last one, which is number 112.
Speaker C:Now, there's two or three things I'm going to point out.
Speaker C:I bought a book, I don't know, 20 years ago on the Malachi prophecies.
Speaker C: thor, the book was written in: Speaker C:So Catholic writings allow for that.
Speaker C:The other thing that's going on is a lot of people consider, I don't know a lot, but there's a number of people who considered Francis to be an anti Pope because they question whether he's truly Catholic because of his positions on, let's say, homosexual matters and aspects of LGBTQ agenda.
Speaker C:And so plus the fact that he was elected when there was a Pope who was still alive.
Speaker C:So some say he doesn't count.
Speaker C:So the next one will be the last Pope, perhaps, if the timing is right for the next one to be the last pope.
Speaker C:On the other hand, if this particular pope miraculously recovers and starts to do various signs and wonders, I mean, it could be him now, we got to be careful about non biblical prophecies because Satan uses them to deceive.
Speaker C:Now, how would Satan use this one to deceive?
Speaker C:Well, if it's the next one, you'll say he's the One that was foreordained 807, 800, 800 years ago.
Speaker C:And you got to listen to this guy because he was prophesied.
Speaker C:On the other hand, when you do a comparison of what Malachi wrote, the bishop Malachi wrote about this guy, and the book of revelation, particularly chapter 17, would be, this is a warning about this guy.
Speaker C:So, yes, I am familiar with the Malachi prophecies and I think.
Speaker B:Also, didn't the Malachi prophecy say that the last pope would be a Jesuit, which is what this pope is?
Speaker C:It does not specify that.
Speaker C:No, I thought it did.
Speaker C:I actually did take Latin in high school and I have read it.
Speaker C:I read it in Latin and in English.
Speaker C:It doesn't have to be a Jesuit.
Speaker C:It could be a Jesuit, but it doesn't have to be a Jesuit.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:My read of revelation, chapter 17 basically says that the.
Speaker C:The one who I believe will be the last pope, which I could consider will be an anti pope.
Speaker C:I'll explain that in just a moment.
Speaker C:He will betray the Church of Rome.
Speaker C:So less people call this Catholic bashing.
Speaker C:I don't believe that the last pope who will support the beast of Revelation is going to be faithful to the Catholic Church.
Speaker C:For example, when Benedict was the pope, while I don't agree with him theologically, in many other ways, I consider him a real Roman Catholic.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker C:He believed in it.
Speaker C:He wrote the.
Speaker C:He rewrote the catechism of the Catholic Church.
Speaker C:He's not an anti pope, but the last one I think will be an anti pope.
Speaker C:He'll protect.
Speaker C:He and the beast will pretend to accept a form of Catholicism, then they'll betray it.
Speaker B:So, okay, amen.
Speaker C:That's a Jesuit who does it or someone else.
Speaker C:That's not in Scripture.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, you know, many people think prophecy is just religious speculation.
Speaker B: published your first book in: Speaker B:Can you share just a few of the major prophecies that came true from that book?
Speaker C:Well, there were quite a few.
Speaker C:I'll tell you a funny one, though.
Speaker C:I did a radio interview with somebody who was part of the Republican Convention.
Speaker C: He was a delegate back in: Speaker C:And I went over a list of probably at that Time like eight or nine things that had already started to happen.
Speaker C:And one of the things he disagreed with me on was I said, well, Donald Trump's presidency, we're going to increase debt.
Speaker C:He's like, no, that's not going to happen during the Trump presidency.
Speaker C:Well, yes, it did.
Speaker C:And not just what happened then.
Speaker C:If you don't mind, let me talk a little bit more about what's happening now since my book came out.
Speaker B:Absolutely.
Speaker C:My current book about unintended consequences came out a couple of days before Donald Trump's second term as 41st term is 47th president, but second term office began one of them.
Speaker C:For example, I said gold would hit record prices in you in terms of US Dollars.
Speaker C:That's happened at least twice now.
Speaker C:One critic of mine wrote, well, anybody could have guessed that because gold has to go up.
Speaker C:No, gold does not have to go up.
Speaker C:Biblically, I think it does.
Speaker C:And the reason for that, by the way, if you look at end time prophecies in the Book of Daniel, chapter 11, verses 40 to 43, and you look at what happens with the end time Babylonian beast power, you read that people had gold.
Speaker C:Okay, so this tells me that after certain fiat currency currencies like the US Dollar is gone, that the gold will have a certain value.
Speaker C:So there was one thing, but a lot of things, let's say bigger things have happened.
Speaker C:Well, actually, with his first presidency, within a month of him getting elected, I warned that he was going to offend the Germans.
Speaker C:The Germans would take certain actions and they did.
Speaker C:They also started something, Europeans started something called pesco, which most people never even heard of.
Speaker C:What is pesco?
Speaker C:That stands for permanent structured cooperation.
Speaker C:So the Europeans started to have their own European military.
Speaker C:Now, not every country in the EU is in it, only 25 of the 27.
Speaker C:So that's pretty much everybody.
Speaker C:I think everybody's in it except the little island of Malta and Denmark.
Speaker C:Okay, so they've got pesco, and they're working on that.
Speaker C:Now.
Speaker C:I said in my current book, as well as my previous one, that Donald Trump's rise would encourage the Europeans to unify.
Speaker C:And when he makes certain statements that offends them, he's bringing them closer together because I hate to use this expression, but the enemy, your enemy is your friend as an expression.
Speaker C:And so he is getting the Europeans to think they have to be more unified.
Speaker C:Also I said in this book and in the last one, Donald Trump would get them to want to spend more on their military.
Speaker C:Now, in the last week or so, they've been having all these emergency meetings because they apparently didn't believe what Donald Trump said about Ukraine and nor did Vladimir Zelensky.
Speaker C:I actually posted a week before the few days, at least a few days, about a week or two before they met in the White House a couple of weeks back that what Donald Trump's attitude was toward Ukraine.
Speaker C:Apparently the president of Ukraine didn't understand this.
Speaker C:The president of Ukraine goes out and doesn't understand Donald Trump's attitude is, why are we spending money on Ukraine?
Speaker C:Ukraine, you're not really in our interest.
Speaker C:We don't really want to fight Russia.
Speaker C:And by the way, Zelensky, you were mean to me a couple of times.
Speaker C:So why would he think that Donald Trump would be on his side when, when, you know, Trump's position is America first?
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:When he asked him, I think once he was shot, you know, whose side are you on?
Speaker C:Kind of reminds me in the Bible, Joshua sees an angel, says the angel, are you.
Speaker C:Whose side are you on?
Speaker C:Our side of the enemies.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker C:And he says, huh?
Speaker C:I'm on God's side.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:So, so anyway.
Speaker C:But apparently the Europeans didn't quite get the message until after what happened with Trump.
Speaker C:Zelensky ADVANCE MEETING and so now they've gotten the message, which is, one, they don't think Ukraine can be defended sufficiently without the United States.
Speaker C:They're going to put some money in there.
Speaker C:And two, if this could happen to Ukraine, what about Europe?
Speaker C:Now, there's a big difference.
Speaker C:Contractually, we're in NATO.
Speaker C:We're supposed to help Europe, but Ukraine is not in NATO.
Speaker C:And so they want to be, but.
Speaker C:Well, they want to be, but a lot of Americans don't want to remember the fact that we promised Russia that none of these Eastern European countries were going to join NATO.
Speaker C:And they all have pretty much, except Ukraine and Moldova.
Speaker C:And some of the Balkan states aren't, but the rest of Europe is pretty much in NATO.
Speaker B:Now, my kids asked me, you know, what is the big deal about, you know, Ukraine joining NATO or not?
Speaker B:I said, well, I put it like this.
Speaker B:I said, if Russia took over Canada, the United States would have an issue with it.
Speaker B:You know, because they're like right there, one mile from the border, you know, they could mass their whole army right there.
Speaker B:We can't do nothing about it.
Speaker B:You know, I said, russia's looking at this the same way.
Speaker B:They like that little buffer of neutral countries, you know, supposedly neutral countries, at least to give them a buffer between NATO and them.
Speaker B:And so that's.
Speaker C:Well, that's one of the things a lot of people don't understand is that everybody used to call it the Ukraine.
Speaker C:And what that meant, by the way, was the borderlands, okay?
Speaker C:That's what Russia viewed it as, its border, as its borderland.
Speaker C:That's what the word Ukraine actually means.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker C:And so anyway, Donald Trump's made it clear that, you know, when, when Zelensky's like, well, you guys didn't loan us money, you gave us a grant, it was free.
Speaker C:And Donald Trump's, okay, well, then we don't need to give you anything else.
Speaker C:So anyway, having said that, this has really motivated Europeans.
Speaker C:And the Europeans now have decided that they need to spend a lot of money in their military.
Speaker C:They had a meeting last week under their EU Commission.
Speaker C:President Oslo von der Leyen proposed an 800 billion euro military budget, roughly 850 to $870,000.
Speaker C:I haven't looked at the value of the euro lately, and this is a massive thing.
Speaker C:And how they want to fund it is they want to change the rules.
Speaker C:The EU has these rules that you can't have a deficit of more than 2% in a year.
Speaker C:The Germans also have something called a debt break.
Speaker C:So they can't have major debt.
Speaker C:Well, they want to get rid of that.
Speaker C:Now, Germany just had an election a couple weeks back, and in this election, it looks like Friedrich Merz is going to be the new chancellor.
Speaker C:And he had a couple of meetings he's had the day of the election.
Speaker C:He actually said, I think we need to be independent of the United States militarily.
Speaker C:And I can't believe I said this on television.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And then a couple of days back, he said that it's against our constitution for us to produce nuclear weapons, but we think we need more nuclear weapons.
Speaker C:So, so he's talking to France, he's talking to the UK and of course, what's to stop?
Speaker C:And I, and I have no reason to pick on these specific countries, but just they're in Europe.
Speaker C:What's the stop?
Speaker C:The Czech Republic or Slovakia or Hungary or Poland or Spain or Italy to start working on nukes or whatever.
Speaker C:So they are working on arming.
Speaker C:And that's one of the things I warned would be an unintended consequence.
Speaker C:Now, US Government starting a long time back, including with Barack Obama, said Europeans not spending enough, European not spending enough.
Speaker C:And Trump told them this before, though Trump did scare them the first time.
Speaker C:And he did start to do some stuff.
Speaker C:Then when Russia began a special military operation into Ukraine, Germany announced it would spend 100 billion euros to try to kickstart his defense.
Speaker C:But that still wasn't the final factor.
Speaker C:Now, the Europeans had a meeting last week, and one of the topics, and this is from Euronews, by the way, which is a pro EU thing, one of the topics is, should Europe consider, still consider the United States an ally?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And so we're starting.
Speaker C:We're risking turning a friend into an enemy.
Speaker C:Now, in the Book of Lamentations, and this is in my Trump book, too, by the way, I'm telling you right now.
Speaker C:But the Book of Lamentations, chapter 1, verses 1 and 2, talks about the one which was great among the nations.
Speaker C:Now, we think in our church that this is perhaps a reference to the United States of America, which is considered great by most people in the world.
Speaker C:United States, a great nation, it says it will be conquered and its friends have become its enemies.
Speaker C:And so while I can understand from a physical perspective why Donald Trump goes out and says, hey, United States spends more for its military than all you NATO countries combined.
Speaker C:Times.
Speaker C:It used to be times three.
Speaker C:Now he thinks it's about times two.
Speaker C:Why should we have to pay to defend you?
Speaker C:He doesn't like their trade issues.
Speaker C:He doesn't like how they treat us in other matters.
Speaker C:And he's like, you guys need to pay more.
Speaker C:Well, do you have children?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:When you have, when you've got children and they live at your house, they kind of need to do what you tell them.
Speaker C:They may not always, but pretty much.
Speaker C:Well, when they got their own money and they live out on their own, maybe they don't want to listen quite as much.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker C:Well, you empower people, or you can encourage people to have their own militaries.
Speaker C:They might decide to use them in a way you didn't expect it to.
Speaker C:So that's one of the unintended consequences of this.
Speaker C:We have a difference from the SDA Church in that we believe that when the Bible's Talking in Revelation 13 about a military power that looks dead but has a mortal wound and becomes alive, and people say, who is like the beast who can make war with him?
Speaker C:We believe that is a reference to a European power.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker C:We don't believe Europe is there yet.
Speaker C:As Jesus said, Matthew 24, I'll quote one of the things he said.
Speaker C:The end is not yet.
Speaker C:But we do see these things as helping line up toward the end.
Speaker C:So Europe getting a military is part of it.
Speaker B:Hey, folks.
Speaker B:Pastor Bob here.
Speaker B:Well, that's time for today's very informative interview with Dr.
Speaker B:Bob Thiel, I appreciate him coming on and sharing all about prophecy and the end times and especially, you know, about his book.
Speaker B:You know, that we're talking about kind of in a circular way, but we're still getting there about the unintended consequences of Donald Trump's presidency.
Speaker B:But folks, the information he's providing us, it is valuable.
Speaker B:It is so important for you to understand current events in relation to biblical prophecy.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:Now, we're only halfway through this interview, Praise God.
Speaker B:I mean, we, this is, this is just so informative, a very in depth interview.
Speaker B:And I want to make sure that you come back for part two.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:And it's going to be already heard it.
Speaker B:So I'm so impressed with it.
Speaker B:Amen.
Speaker B:I just try to communicate that to you.
Speaker B:So the only way you can find out whether or not I'm telling you the truth, and I am, Praise God.
Speaker B:You need to come back and listen to part two before then.
Speaker B:Drop down the show notes.
Speaker B:Reach out to Dr.
Speaker B:Bob Thiel.
Speaker B:Reach out, let him know what you think about this interview and be sure to order a copy of his book, Unintended Consequences and Donald Trump's presidency.
Speaker B:Till then, this Pastor Bob, reminding you to be blessed in all that you do.
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