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Now here is your host with today's interview, Pastor Bob Thibodeau.

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Hello everyone everywhere.

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Pastor Bob Thibodeau here.

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Welcome to the Kingdom Crossroads podcast.

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Today we're so blessed that you're joining us.

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Are we truly prepared for the return of Christ?

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Are we just falling into the trap of assuming?

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There's always going to be more time.

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Today we're going to dive deep into what the Bible has to say about spiritual readiness and the signs that point to his return.

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Could this be the final generation that is about to witness it?

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If you've ever wondered whether we are truly living in the end times and what it means to be spiritually ready, you will not want to miss today's conversation.

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Amen.

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My guest today is Daniel Ochoa, a dedicated Bible teacher, author of Time Is Running Out.

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It's a powerful book that challenges believers to reflect on their spiritual readiness for Christ's return.

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With over 25 years of studying and teaching God's Word, including 13 years with Bible Study Fellowship, Daniel brings deep insights into biblical prophecy and the urgency of living with faith and intentionality.

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Help me welcome to the program Daniel Ochoa.

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Daniel, it's a blessing to finally get you on the program today, brother.

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Wow.

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Thank you for inviting me.

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It's a pleasure to be here.

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Amen.

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Now, the first question I always start with is this.

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Other than that brief information I just shared, can you tell us in your own words, who is Daniel Ochoa?

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Yeah.

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So you know, I grew up in a family in Michigan, have four brothers or four siblings.

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Two brothers, two sisters, grew up in a Catholic home.

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And even though we went to church every Sunday, none of us in the entire house knew the Bible.

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And I discovered who Jesus was on Christmas morning when I discovered that there was no Santa Claus.

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My mother kind of told me a little bit about Jesus, but her knowledge was probably just as much as an atheist knows about Jesus.

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And so for the next 25 years or so, Jesus was like Santa Claus to me.

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You know, as long as I lived a good life, I was okay.

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And then in my early 30s, I was even.

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I was attending church for about four or five years on a regular basis.

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And the pastor started talking about the road to heaven and hell.

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And when he said the road to heaven is very narrow and only a few find woke me up.

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I realized that it's more than just going to church and owning a Bible and even going to a Sunday school class.

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And so I asked the pastor if we could have lunch after the service, and he said yes.

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And he explained the gospel to me.

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But then he did something that most people don't do.

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He explained the cost to follow Jesus.

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But he did tell me, living in America, there's not that much cost.

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But, you know, it may cost you some friends, it may cost you your job.

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You know, if you lived in other parts of the world, it could cost you your life.

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And I realized that it was more than just confessing with your mouth.

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Even though the Bible says, you know, you confess with your mouth, but it also says, believe in your heart, and the heart is what matters.

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You know, do you really have a heart that loves Jesus?

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And I'll tell you what, Robert, for the next 20 years, I was on fire for the gospel and the Bible and every chance I could take, I would witness to people.

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I mean, I've witnessed the people on planes, on trains and stores, and I just want to wake people up because I feel that most Americans were just like I was.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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That's good.

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Amen.

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Praise God.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Well, you know, I read on your website that at one point you consider God was something like Santa Claus, but as long as he remained off the naughty list.

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Right.

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You know, how did you.

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You said your mother told you what, no sound.

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How'd she go through that process of telling you there was no Santa Claus?

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That.

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That.

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Well, it's funny.

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I go first.

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That bubble.

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It's funny, I go into great detail about it in my book, but basically, to make a long story short, on Christmas Eve, she forgot to put the presents out.

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Mine was.

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I was.

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I guess I would have been seven, six or seven.

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And, you know, put us in the room and to go to bed.

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And I decided, you know, it's: 10:30

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I want to see him like that, right?

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Because my brother, little brother, he was 4, so he was already asleep.

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I said, you know, I'll.

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I'm just going to stay here and watch.

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And, you know, then I hear my parents coming down the hall to check Us.

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I jump back in bed, act like I'm sleeping.

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Right.

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They open the door and then they close it.

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Then I'm back up again, and I hear them carrying stuff back and forth from where they've been hiding them in their room.

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And.

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And that's what I discovered.

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Yeah, pretty much the same way.

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Yeah.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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But you know, what led you to the study of eschatology?

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What?

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The end times.

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What led you to start studying that?

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Well, it started about eight years ago, so my brother and I were working for the same company.

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So we office together.

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He had an office and I had an office, and he got into it before I did.

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And, you know, he would walk into my office, dan, I got to show you something.

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I got to show you something in the Bible.

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And, you know, I look at it and I just kind of just, you know, brush him away and, you know, think nothing of it.

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And then he come back another time and, you know, and I would always throw out that line, manual.

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No one knows the date or the hour.

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Why do you keep doing this?

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And then one day he came in and I said, manuel, they didn't know Jesus's first coming.

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What makes you think they're going to know about his second coming?

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And he said, that's not true.

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I said, who knew?

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And he said, the wise men.

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And I'm telling you, when he said that, a light bulb went off because they did know.

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Yeah.

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And I.

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I've been studying it ever since.

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Amen.

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Yeah.

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Because the wise men, you know, that wasn't a.

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Like, oh, guess what just happened over the weekend?

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Well, let's go over there and find out.

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It took them a while to get there.

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Yeah.

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Two years, a matter of fact.

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And they knew it by the signs in the sky.

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And matter of fact, Genesis tells us that God created the stars, the moon, and the sun to be signs.

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Yep.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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You know, one thing that gets under my skin in that regards, that is.

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Is the focus, or I should say rather the.

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The division in the church about whether someone's, you know, pre trib, mid trib, post trib.

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I tell them it doesn't matter because if they live like it's pre trib and they find out it's post trib, you're still good.

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You know, I mean, as long as you're living for Christ, you're good to go.

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You know, if you think it's post trib and you find out it's pre or mid trip, like I said, it's okay.

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But the most important Thing in answering question is, are you ready no matter what it is?

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And that's.

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That's the important part.

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And well, you know, in my book, when I get into, you know, the timing of his return and all that, at the very end, I do say, could I be wrong?

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Of course.

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However, it doesn't change the fact that time is running out for all of us.

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I mean, there's no guarantee any of us are going to put our heads on our pillow tonight.

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And you got to ask yourself, am I truly following Christ or am I just going through the motion?

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Yeah, I go through when some as the Holy Spirit would lead it.

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If I'm delivering a message somewhere and I tell them when I'm getting ready to do the invitation, I tell there is no time like the present.

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church, this would have been: 1995

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And the.

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I gave the invitation and then I was coming back that night for the evening service as well.

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And.

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And when I came back, I found out that one of the parishioners had died in a car accident after they left there at the church service in the morning.

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And a few weeks later, the pastor had gotten a hold of me, he said, remember that?

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Probably, yeah.

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He said he was through the message, he was convicted and realized he needed to accept Jesus as a savior, but he didn't come forward.

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And the reason he didn't is because there's so many people in church that, you know, he'd been there for years and they thought, you know, who's this guy, you know, now he says he's not saved and all this after all these years.

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So he was going to come to the evening service and give his heart to Jesus because there's not as many people there, you know, it's usually what takes place in churches, you know, and.

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But instead he died during the daytime and wow, unexpectedly.

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You know, it wasn't like, you know, I'm dying of cancer, you know, I mean, he had full intent, told his wife in a car, you know, and he said, I'm going to come back tonight and I'm going to, you know, give my heart to the Lord.

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They didn't make it.

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I mean, she did, but she was hurt and all that.

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But.

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But I.

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I tell people, you need to be ready.

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I mean, you know, we have no guarantee that one of us won't pass away right here on the interview before we hit button to stop it, you know, I mean, there's.

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Our next breath isn't guaranteed, you know, but with so many voices interpreting signs of the times and all these different ways, how can believers, I guess, discern the truth from speculation?

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And what role does Scripture play in maintaining a balanced perspective and all that?

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Well, you know, I truly believe that God did not give us the Book of Daniel, the Book of Revelation, and then tell us, but you're not going to know.

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I don't believe that happened.

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And let me give you an example of what I tell people, why things are different now than they were years ago.

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You know, because everybody always tells me, well, Paul thought Jesus was going to return in his lifetime.

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You know, what makes you think, you know, and this is the best example I can give you.

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Let's say that back in the: 1700

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He had very good credibility.

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And then he one day prophesied that two tall figures would be struck in the air and that they would collapse.

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And, you know, so, you know, everybody's waiting for the two tall figures, and it has to be struck in the air.

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Well, when Abraham Lincoln died, they could say, okay, that was one.

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He got shot in the head with a bullet.

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And then John F.

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Kennedy died.

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Okay, he got shot in the head with a bullet.

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They're two tall figures.

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They are, you know, presidents of the United States, you can't get taller than that.

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And they both died by being struck in the air.

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And everybody would have just closed it after John F.

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Kennedy died, right?

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And everybody would have said, okay, that's it.

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And for years, people would have just taught other people that was the prophet or the prophecy.

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But then when the Twin Towers happened, somebody would went, wait a minute.

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This is the two tall figures, not the president.

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And so things would have made more sense.

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ve that the difference now is: 1948

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the greatest scholars before: 1948

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They have to make something else fit.

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And what I'm talking about is the prophecy of Isaiah.

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Without: 1948

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And that prophecy is, you know, where Isaiah says, after two days, he will revive us, and on the third day, he will raise us up into his presence.

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You know, that you can't.

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fully understand that without: 1948

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Yeah, amen.

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Amen.

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That's so true.

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And, you know, because of: 1948

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Right?

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And you Know, that's, you know, amen.

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Amen.

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Think about this.

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When the disciples asked Jesus about the end times and they said, when will.

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Will these things take place?

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Jesus could have just right there said, no one knows the day of the hour.

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Don't worry about it.

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But he didn't.

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He went on and on and on and told them all the events that would happen.

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And then at the end, and technically he didn't say no one knows the day of the hour, even though we all recited that way, he said about that day and hour, no man knows.

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And what he's saying is the exact moment of his return, which I agree, no man knows.

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But then he's also, every time he talked about end times, he said, but keep watch.

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Yeah, Meaning keep watch, because when you see these events, then you'll know.

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You'll know the timing.

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Yeah.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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You know, in your book, you know, you discuss the, the urgency of the spiritual readiness.

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And what do you believe is the biggest misconception that people have about being ready for Christ returning?

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How can they overcome that?

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I think the biggest misconception is that they have more time.

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You know, that we've been waiting for 2,000 years and no one's ever going to know the time, and then we have more time.

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You know, another example is right after Jesus said that about that day and hour, no man knows.

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He gave the parable of the 10 versions.

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Now, if you look at that parable, they didn't know the exact hour, but they knew the timing.

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They went, they went out waiting, and then he shows up hours later.

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So they knew the timing.

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And I just, I believe that people don't.

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People want to be left alone.

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They don't want to know that, hey, we could be entering the tribulation.

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Things are getting, you know, because the tribulation, let's be honest, is scary.

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You know, I remember telling my brother, the thing that scares me about the Tribulation is it's seven years now.

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The first three and a half years may not be so bad, you know, but it's the last three and a half years that are pretty scary of what's going to happen.

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And the thought of living through that, I can't.

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People tell me, look, I don't want to get into this discussion.

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I just want to be left alone, and I just want to continue to live my life.

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And I think that's the biggest deception that Satan has with people is to.

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To focus on yourself.

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It's about you, and it's about living a good life.

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Yeah.

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Amen.

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You know, when, when you start looking at numbers, you know, I mean, out of the 8 billion people on planet Earth, like 6 billion people are going to die during this time period.

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I mean, it's not, it's not going to be like the pandemic with, oh, you know, 24 million people died.

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That'd be like only 24 million people died today.

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That's what they're going to be talking about.

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Only that many died today.

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You know, it's going to be bad.

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I told my wife, we have a seven year old daughter.

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I told my wife one third of the population is going to die.

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According to Revelation, that means out of the three of us, one of us is not going to be around.

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Now, it may not be that one third means every family, but statistically it could be that one of us will not be around to help the other two.

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Yeah, amen.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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You know, you spent years in your ministry teaching in various church settings from, you know, youth to adults.

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Based on what you've experienced, what are the most common spiritual challenges that people face when it comes to truly living out their faith with, let's just call it intentionality?

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Well, they, they have a belief that God is like Santa Claus.

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You know, they don't understand the cost to follow Jesus.

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They don't understand what it means to pick up your cross daily.

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They don't understand what it means to die to yourself.

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I mean, you know, I just did a video on the scariest verses that Jesus spoke about.

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You know, one of them is being born again.

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That means a new birth.

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And he said, no one will enter the kingdom of God unless they're born again.

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The other one is the narrow road.

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You know, if you think about it, if we were to quantify that and put a percentage on it, I mean, what would it be?

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5, 7, 10% at tops?

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Maybe that's pretty staggering that 7% of the population are truly saved and the others are not.

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And then the other scare.

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There's two more scary verse.

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One is the 10 versions.

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Think about the 10 versions.

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They're all versions, meaning they're all pure.

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But the foolish ones, even though they were going to church, they're doing the work.

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Didn't we do this, didn't we do that?

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They're doing the work of God and yet Jesus is saying, I never knew you.

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That means in the end times, when he returns, half the church is not saved.

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Yeah, that's pretty scary.

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And then the last one, I'm not going to tell you what it is.

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And so you have to buy my book to know.

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But I guarantee that all your listeners not only know this verse, they recited it many times without realizing what they're saying to God.

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Yeah, amen.

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Amen.

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Because we just go through the motion of, you know, memory verses, and we say the verse and we really don't think about what we're saying sometimes.

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Yep.

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Yeah, that's right.

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That's right.

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You know, when you're looking at.

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At these things, you know, it's, you know, you read it over and over and you just kind of begin to say, yep, yep, yeah, that's what it says.

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But you don't really stop to, to contemplate what it really means, you know, and.

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And that's, that's the thing.

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And, you know, Jesus came so that we could have access to the Father without worrying about what took place in our past.

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Whether I'm not worthy.

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No, you're not worthy.

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You're absolutely not worthy.

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But Jesus said, I took care of it.

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Don't worry, you know, and it'd be like going out to dinner.

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And they say, oh, the bill's, you know, a hundred dollars.

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Oh, man, I don't have $100.

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And the guy says, don't worry, I got it taken care of.

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You know, I mean, you have to believe.

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That's the whole thing.

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You have to believe.

Speaker B: 00:20:41

And Jesus talks about, you know, that, you know, it's his words that's going to condemn us, you know, he said, you know, that's what's going to give you life.

Speaker B: 00:20:52

But it's also going to be those words that is going to be judging you at the end.

Speaker B: 00:20:56

I mean, that's.

Speaker B: 00:20:57

It's his words.

Speaker B: 00:20:59

And that's where, you know, a lot of people, you know, they just don't want to follow the words.

Speaker B: 00:21:05

I guess you could say, you know, they're.

Speaker B: 00:21:06

They're, they're going through the motions.

Speaker B: 00:21:08

Like you said, the 10 virgins.

Speaker B: 00:21:10

A nice thing that.

Speaker B: 00:21:10

The thing I love bringing out whenever I do a study on that.

Speaker B: 00:21:15

Like you said, they knew it was time for the groom to come get the bride.

Speaker B: 00:21:20

They knew that was it.

Speaker B: 00:21:21

That's why they all gathered together and wait, because that's part of the wedding celebration.

Speaker B: 00:21:26

So they knew, hey, it's been a year.

Speaker B: 00:21:28

Dad sent word.

Speaker B: 00:21:29

You know, it's getting ready, it's getting close, so let's get together and loads it.

Speaker B: 00:21:33

We don't know when he's coming, but we know it's the.

Speaker B: 00:21:36

And he always comes at night, you know, the the groom always comes at night because that's part of the procession with the torches and all that stuff.

Speaker B: 00:21:42

And like, you know, so we know it's either tonight or tomorrow night.

Speaker B: 00:21:45

So let's get together here.

Speaker B: 00:21:46

We know it's getting close.

Speaker B: 00:21:48

And then, you know, we read the story on, on the other, the other part of it, you know, but that's, that's the, the, the telling part is, are you ready?

Speaker B: 00:22:00

I mean, he's sending people like you, you know, giving messages that, that, you know, here we are, you know, the time is here, the time is now.

Speaker B: 00:22:09

It's, it's getting close.

Speaker B: 00:22:11

Get ready.

Speaker B: 00:22:12

they've been saying that for: 2000

Speaker B: 00:22:20

So your book also raises questions of whether we truly understand the implications of following Christ, you know, and, and what, what do you see as some of the biggest barriers that prevent believers just from going all in and, and aligning their lives with his teachings?

Speaker C: 00:22:40

Well, it's fun.

Speaker C: 00:22:41

It's funny you're asking me that.

Speaker C: 00:22:42

You know, I just saw the interview last week with Joe Rogan and Wesley Huff.

Speaker C: 00:22:47

Have you seen that?

Speaker B: 00:22:48

No, I haven't.

Speaker C: 00:22:50

Well, Joe Rogan, you know, if you've been following him and I don't watch his, I only watch clips of his videos.

Speaker C: 00:22:58

I can't watch three hour video.

Speaker B: 00:23:01

Exactly.

Speaker B: 00:23:02

That's why I don't watch his biggest.

Speaker C: 00:23:05

Problem with Christianity, because I believe God has been tugging on his heart for about two years now.

Speaker C: 00:23:13

But his biggest problem, he had Wesley Huff.

Speaker C: 00:23:16

That was a great interview.

Speaker C: 00:23:18

I watched like 30 clip or 30 minute clip of it.

Speaker C: 00:23:21

But his biggest problem is that Jesus rose from the dead after three days because, you know, that doesn't happen.

Speaker C: 00:23:28

And right away I'm thinking to myself, okay, so you don't have a problem with God speaking everything in the creation, but you have a problem with him speaking a man to rise from the dead.

Speaker C: 00:23:39

I mean, you know, and no one ever brings up Lazarus, you know.

Speaker C: 00:23:43

Right.

Speaker C: 00:23:44

You know, but it made me realize that's really not his reason for rejecting God.

Speaker C: 00:23:52

It's his excuse.

Speaker C: 00:23:53

And the reason people make up all these different excuse, whatever it is, you know, why is there so much evil in the world?

Speaker C: 00:23:59

You know, why do bad things happen to good people?

Speaker C: 00:24:02

Those are excuses.

Speaker C: 00:24:03

The main reason is people do not want to give up certain sin in their life.

Speaker C: 00:24:08

They know, you know, Joe Rogan talks about doing mushrooms and, you know, having these experiences and, you know, and he knows that if he truly gives his life to God, there's things he has to change.

Speaker C: 00:24:22

It's like a marriage, you know, if you, if you go into a marriage and your life didn't change, you're really not in a marriage.

Speaker B: 00:24:29

Yeah.

Speaker D: 00:24:30

Amen.

Speaker B: 00:24:30

Am.

Speaker B: 00:24:31

Know when, when I, before I got born, I was in the military.

Speaker B: 00:24:34

And you know, think of your stereotypical stories that you hear about soldiers.

Speaker B: 00:24:41

That was me, I was a soldier.

Speaker B: 00:24:45

Well, you know, and you know, but when I got out, it went on several more years before I, the situations arose where, long story short, I gave my heart to the Lord.

Speaker B: 00:24:56

And I mean, I used to be able to drink sailors under the table.

Speaker B: 00:25:02

I mean, I was, you know, functioning alcoholic.

Speaker B: 00:25:06

And without going in the story, my listeners have heard it before, but basically the Lord took alcohol away from me and I didn't even know it.

Speaker B: 00:25:15

I went six months without a drink, hadn't even realized I stopped drinking until I found a half empty bottle of whiskey underneath the sink.

Speaker B: 00:25:24

And that's dumb.

Speaker B: 00:25:26

Wow.

Speaker B: 00:25:27

Because I remember when I bought the bottle, I was like, wow, I haven't had a drink of alcohol in six months.

Speaker B: 00:25:33

I mean, so it was a supernatural deliverance.

Speaker B: 00:25:36

But some friends have come over, you know, that I hadn't seen in years, you know, and they, you know, they think they're going to have a party with the old Bob, you know, and they said, hey, come on, have at least one beer with.

Speaker B: 00:25:47

No, man, it's been two years, I haven't had a drop of alcohol.

Speaker B: 00:25:50

I'm not going to start just one beer, man.

Speaker B: 00:25:52

No, I'm not going to.

Speaker B: 00:25:53

Man, you've changed.

Speaker B: 00:25:54

You're.

Speaker B: 00:25:56

You're right, because that guy's dead.

Speaker B: 00:26:01

I know, I know what you're talking about there.

Speaker B: 00:26:03

Praise the Lord.

Speaker B: 00:26:04

You know, eschatology, the study of the end times.

Speaker B: 00:26:08

Folks, that's a complex and sometimes a very controversial subject.

Speaker B: 00:26:12

And what key insights have you discovered in your study of biblical prophecy that you believe are relevant for us in the day and time which we're living in right now?

Speaker C: 00:26:24

Well, like I said, Man,: 1948

Speaker C: 00:26:33

You know, when Jesus talked about, he was talking about the end times and he talked about the fig tree.

Speaker C: 00:26:38

You know, when you see the lives, the leaves on the fig tree, you know that summer is near.

Speaker C: 00:26:43

When he's talking about summer, he's talking about trouble is near.

Speaker C: 00:26:46

oming back on the fig tree is: 1948

Speaker C: 00:26:55

Because Jesus said, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.

Speaker C: 00:27:00

away, but I believe that the: 1948

Speaker C: 00:27:13

The average age of an Israelite in Jerusalem live.

Speaker C: 00:27:17

And you know, it had men at one age, women at another age.

Speaker C: 00:27:20

But when I did the math, divided it, it came out to 82 years.

Speaker C: 00:27:24

And so: 1948

Speaker C: 00:27:29

's other things that point to: 2030

Speaker C: 00:27:32

And another thing that most people do not know is the first early Christians like in first century pointed to this generation and how they pointed to this generation, like in my book, I give two examples, but there's like 12 great Christian theologians, you know, like Irenaeus, you know, and I don't have the quote in front of me, but he said God created the, the earth in six days.

Speaker C: 00:28:01

And on the seventh day he rested.

Speaker C: 00:28:02

He said, you know, the same thing is going to be for, for total completion.

Speaker C: 00:28:07

It's going to be 6,000 years and then 1,000 year of rest, which when we're going to reign with Jesus for a thousand years.

Speaker C: 00:28:16

Well, that 6,000 year, this is up, it's us.

Speaker C: 00:28:20

We're at the 6,000 year mark.

Speaker B: 00:28:22

Yeah.

Speaker D: 00:28:23

Amen.

Speaker C: 00:28:23

So, and there's, I go into great detail in my book.

Speaker C: 00:28:26

I mean I talk about all the feasts because the feasts have a big part to play.

Speaker C: 00:28:30

And I talk about how it, you know, there's other parables that point right to this generation.

Speaker C: 00:28:37

I mean it's not just, I don't think it's just a coincidence.

Speaker C: 00:28:40

I think they're exactly, you know, and you know, I'm not the only one that believes this and I'm not the one that discovered this.

Speaker C: 00:28:46

It's all the research and great teachers that know about end times.

Speaker C: 00:28:52

There's a few things I discovered.

Speaker C: 00:28:54

But you know, I don't want your audience to think that I'm the one that figured all this out.

Speaker C: 00:28:59

And there's over a million Christians that believe what I believe in my, in my book, when it comes to end times.

Speaker C: 00:29:05

And there's a whole chapter devoted to just in time.

Speaker D: 00:29:08

Yeah, Amen.

Speaker D: 00:29:09

Amen.

Speaker B: 00:29:10

I, I, I'm an Advent adamant believer that, you know, I'm expecting it, you know, any moment.

Speaker B: 00:29:18

I believe it.

Speaker B: 00:29:19

We're that close.

Speaker B: 00:29:20

I mean it's almost, you can, you can sense the fragrance in the air.

Speaker B: 00:29:26

Yeah, it's to use another military analogy, you know, everyone's seen, I can't remember the, the name of the Movie.

Speaker B: 00:29:34

But you know, the, the cavalry officer sitting there talking to his troops and they're dropping napalm in the back.

Speaker B: 00:29:41

So smell that.

Speaker B: 00:29:42

Love that smell.

Speaker B: 00:29:43

Napal in the morning, right?

Speaker B: 00:29:45

Well, the same thing.

Speaker B: 00:29:48

He's sitting there trying to keep his troops calm and motivated while all the actions going on.

Speaker B: 00:29:52

That's what Jesus is doing, you know, say, hey, I got this, you know, don't worry about it.

Speaker B: 00:29:57

Long as you're with me, everything will be fine.

Speaker B: 00:29:59

Boys, put.

Speaker B: 00:30:00

But that smell, that, that's not napalm, but it's the fragrance of the soon return of Christ.

Speaker B: 00:30:07

I mean, yeah, you know, when my wife walks in the room, I can be on the computer, but sometimes the perfume she's wearing, I can tell she's there, you know.

Speaker C: 00:30:14

Right.

Speaker B: 00:30:14

And that's, that's, that's how close I sense it is.

Speaker B: 00:30:19

I mean, it is at the doorstep.

Speaker B: 00:30:22

You know another analogy I use, if you're out on the road looking up at a house and you look that they got the door open, you can see his little narrow part.

Speaker B: 00:30:33

And every now and then you might see someone walk by.

Speaker B: 00:30:36

The closer you get to that door, the more you can see inside that, that room.

Speaker B: 00:30:42

When you're at the doorstep, you can look all the way around on the inside of that house, you know, and Jesus is at the doorstep.

Speaker B: 00:30:49

I mean it's, you know, we're that close.

Speaker C: 00:30:51

I mean, I think we are.

Speaker B: 00:30:53

Your book times running out.

Speaker B: 00:30:55

How can someone obtain a copy of your book?

Speaker B: 00:30:57

I take it it's on Amazon, correct?

Speaker C: 00:30:59

Yeah, it is on Amazon.

Speaker C: 00:31:00

It's all on all the major selling bookstores.

Speaker C: 00:31:03

You know, it's on Barnes and Noble.

Speaker C: 00:31:05

You can also visit my website, Time is Running out the book dot com.

Speaker C: 00:31:09

But the subtitle is a big part of my book too.

Speaker C: 00:31:12

The subtitle is am I really in good standing with God?

Speaker D: 00:31:16

Amen.

Speaker C: 00:31:17

I go into the whole process, what it means, you know, once you become a Christian, you know, you're on a new road.

Speaker C: 00:31:24

What does that road look like?

Speaker C: 00:31:25

What are some of the obstacles?

Speaker C: 00:31:27

You know, then once you, and then after you're on that road, you start building a relationship with Jesus.

Speaker C: 00:31:33

What does that look like?

Speaker C: 00:31:34

And then after your relationship with these Jesus, your thought, thinking start changes from a worldly viewpoint to a godly kingdom, people.

Speaker D: 00:31:43

Amen.

Speaker B: 00:31:44

So true.

Speaker B: 00:31:45

So true.

Speaker B: 00:31:45

Daniel, I know that our conversation, they sparked some questions in the minds of some of our listeners today.

Speaker B: 00:31:52

So if someone does have a question or they'd like more information, how they get in touch with you again?

Speaker C: 00:31:56

Well, if you go to my website, time is running out.

Speaker C: 00:31:58

The book.com you can, there's a section in there to, to write me an email to contact the author and just contact me through that.

Speaker C: 00:32:07

I'll be glad to reply to any questions that you may have.

Speaker D: 00:32:10

Amen.

Speaker D: 00:32:10

Amen.

Speaker B: 00:32:11

Appreciate it folks.

Speaker B: 00:32:13

Today's conversation, it's been a powerful wake up call.

Speaker B: 00:32:17

One that challenges us to reflect on our own spiritual readiness and what it truly means to follow Christ.

Speaker B: 00:32:24

I mean, Daniel Ochoa's insights, they've shown us that basically now is the time to examine our faith and align our lives with the word of God and prepare for what's lying just ahead.

Speaker B: 00:32:36

Amen.

Speaker B: 00:32:36

The urgency of this message cannot be ignored anymore.

Speaker B: 00:32:39

If today's discussion has stirred something in your heart, I encourage you dive a little bit deeper by going down the shows.

Speaker B: 00:32:46

Click the link right there.

Speaker B: 00:32:47

Get his book.

Speaker B: 00:32:48

Time is running out.

Speaker B: 00:32:49

I mean, this thought provoking book will help you explore biblical truths and challenge your current understanding of discipleship and equip you to live with purpose and intention in these critical times which we're in right now.

Speaker B: 00:33:03

Amen.

Speaker B: 00:33:03

The links down below in the show notes.

Speaker B: 00:33:05

In fact, to learn more and to connect with David again, just drop down the show notes, click the links.

Speaker B: 00:33:11

That will be right there.

Speaker B: 00:33:11

Order your copy of his book today and find out how important you are to this day and time on which we live today and how you can be used by Jesus to help get the word out.

Speaker D: 00:33:21

Amen.

Speaker B: 00:33:22

Don't wait.

Speaker B: 00:33:22

Time is running out and your spiritual readiness is more important than ever.

Speaker B: 00:33:28

And your influence is on those you love and care about matter as well.

Speaker B: 00:33:33

Get this book.

Speaker B: 00:33:34

Start sharing it.

Speaker D: 00:33:35

Amen.

Speaker B: 00:33:35

You never know what the Lord will do.

Speaker B: 00:33:38

Daniel, I appreciate you taking time come on the program today, sharing all about your great book and the time you spent ministering with us today.

Speaker B: 00:33:45

I do appreciate, brother.

Speaker C: 00:33:46

I appreciate you having me here, brother.

Speaker B: 00:33:49

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