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Now, here is your host with today's interview, Pastor Bob Thibodeau.

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Hello, everyone, everywhere.

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Pastor Bob Thibodeau here.

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Welcome to the Kingdom Crossroads podcast.

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Today we're so blessed.

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You're joining us for part two of a great discussion we're having.

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A good friend of ours, Tom Donen.

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Have you missed any of part one?

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You need to go back and catch up because we're talking about the God particle and portals and time travel and all that stuff.

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Is that in the Bible?

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You got to go back and listen to part one to find out.

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Amen.

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Today we're going to be talking about something that we hear about all the time, and that's disappearances, unexplained disappearances, and in some cases, reappearances days later, hours later, several miles later.

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Folks, you do not want to miss part two of this great discussion.

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Let's jump back into the interview now with Tom.

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Donna, we have this thing about light and darkness.

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And the thing is that the darkness, of course, is the veil over the human mind.

Tom Donen: 00:01:45

No, when you step into the spiritual realm, the veil is removed.

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And that's one of the things that I've noticed, and I try to explain is that at times when I see that veil removed over myself, you know, fully removed over myself, there's no doubt Jesus is Lord.

Tom Donen: 00:02:02

Right?

Tom Donen: 00:02:03

You know that.

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You know, I mean, the universe knows that Jesus is Lord.

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But we got this veil, and we have to work against this veil to grab that information to be able to grasp at it.

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But the darkness keeps us from doing that, and especially those that have not sought out salvation.

Tom Donen: 00:02:20

Well, unless God reveals to them in an intimate way, they're not going to grasp it unless they go after the God void, which we're hoping people will do to be able to do that.

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But it's where we are here.

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We need to be able to make that decision in the world to be able to have that adoption by God in order to have the righteousness of Christ applied to us, which is our ticket into heaven.

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I mean, it's.

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It's complex, but yes, Simplistic.

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It's just, it's a mystery.

Tom Donen: 00:02:49

I mean, Apostle Paul says, you know, it's a mystery.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:02:52

Yep.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Well, let's move on, you know, from the mysteries that beneath the cern.

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Let's look at what's happening on the surface, specifically the unexplained.

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There's, there's huge report about unexplained disappearances in national parks themselves, which some suggest could involve portals and things like that.

Tom Donen: 00:03:13

Yeah, that was on David pilates on missing 411 and spontaneous information of portals.

Tom Donen: 00:03:19

Great.

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And so the link will be in the description and it's at the 13 minute mark they start talking about how you would think that somebody who has been missing and you actually find some of their articles that it would be, you know, like dirty, worn, maybe some rips and tears.

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No, they're finding it neatly folded and cleaned.

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You know, it's clean.

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And so it doesn't make sense.

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I mean, it's totally bizarre.

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And then they're trying to figure out, well, you got a family that's out there in one of his stories and a little child runs ahead like maybe 30, 40, maybe 50ft and then all of a sudden it's.

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They're gone.

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Gone?

Tom Donen: 00:04:03

Yeah, gone.

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There's no way that a person should disappear in that short period of time.

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And that's where he starts to bring in at the 25 minute mark about portals and how multiple people have said that they have searched out or thought about this possibility.

Tom Donen: 00:04:27

No.

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And which it becomes a little bit bizarre.

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Now the other thing is that he constantly talks about how the National Park Service doesn't have a list of people who have been missing.

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And he talks about that a little bit, which you would think that there would be something that is going on.

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Yeah.

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You being a former police officer, know that there's files upon files and list upon list.

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It.

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So then it begins curiosity.

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And you know, human beings always like to go towards conspiracy.

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So.

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But he's trying to bring the rest, that there is multiple things that are going on here which the human mind would like to know.

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But yet how did all these people disappear that he's talking about?

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They don't know.

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And they say, you know, they did searches, you know, search the lakes and the rivers and nothing, no bodies, parts.

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Now because they want, maybe the animals drug them off.

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So then there'd be blood, there'd be a trail, a drag trail or something, you know.

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Yeah.

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And all that.

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And, and you know, the, the part about, you know, just disappearing, you know, they said sometimes they'll reappear two, three weeks later.

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And like I said, they're closed.

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They're not even dirty.

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They're not scruffed up.

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The clothes are clean.

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How did that happen?

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Yeah, yeah.

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I work out in the yard for two hours.

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Yeah, right.

Tom Donen: 00:05:46

You're smelly.

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No, Y.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, I.

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I spent my time out in the.

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Out in the.

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The wilderness, you know, in the military.

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And, you know, you.

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You know, 10 days, two weeks out there, I don't care if you're even washing yourself every day when you come home, your wife will let you know, you need to drop this stuff in the washing machine.

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I don't want to touch it.

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You put it in there.

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Go take a shower, you know, and to you, you're like, okay, you know, I'm.

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I'm fine.

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You know, hey, give me a hug.

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No.

Tom Donen: 00:06:21

I think there was a report there of one guy that disappeared in one state and.

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And reappeared in another state, you know, like several states away.

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I'm not talking about a state of mind.

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I'm talking about a physical state and geography.

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Yes.

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And.

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And couldn't explain how he got there.

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How he got there, you know?

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Yeah, yeah.

Tom Donen: 00:06:40

That would be mind blowing.

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No, I was under anesthesia one time and I had a missing gap.

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I didn't like that.

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Can you imagine being missing two weeks?

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Yeah, man.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Well, you know, how does that fit into the, the broader spiritual battle that we see unfolding, though?

Tom Donen: 00:07:01

Oh, that's where humanity comes back to humanity being shook and shaken because it's getting beyond the normal realm, because we're getting ready to advance into another era, an era that will usher us into the.

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The end of the end times, or start the 70th week.

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And you have to have the Antichrist emerge.

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You have to have the one world government.

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You have to have control of the mark of the beast, you know, and all these things are contributing to hurting humanity to accept these things.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:07:35

Yeah.

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Amen.

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And that's what they're trying to do as well as, you know, I mean, we just seen the stain ball to the drones off of New Jersey and all this.

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Where they're coming from.

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They know where they're coming from.

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They just don't want to say where they're coming from.

Tom Donen: 00:07:49

Right, exactly.

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Now there was a hot button, but now all of a sudden you can't find anything on the, the Internet about the drones.

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It's kind of like, okay, it's gone and gone past, but yet the thing was, is like, you Said they know where they come from, because what was it President Trump says they know that, you know, they know this stuff.

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And so the thing would be is they have some kind of purpose.

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We don't know what it is.

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And the technologies that they're exhibiting seem to be very interesting because some of these drones that they're talking about are out there more than six hours, which is battery life expenditure.

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They can't have fuel to carry to last that long.

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So then they're posturing.

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Do they have a new type of recharge technology that we're not aware of that recharges them and then they can continue to go on?

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Amen.

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Amen.

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Well, you know what, how can I say this?

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Lord, what biblical parallels or warnings do you see in these unexplained events?

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What should the Christians be taken away from these mysteries?

Tom Donen: 00:08:58

Well, definitely their preparedness.

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You see, if they, if they do not have the aware that this is coming, it's going to be hard for them.

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Now, there's no doubt in my mind it's coming.

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So as these things are starting to transpire, I know that, I know that this is just part of the end days and that I have a hedge of protection around God, which is important because you and I have talked about having that strong foundation in Jesus Christ.

Tom Donen: 00:09:23

I mean, you need to be on that strong foundation because shaking stuff is coming, right?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:09:28

Yeah.

Tom Donen: 00:09:28

So.

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But they're lulled into a.

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They're lulled into a sense of nothing happened.

Tom Donen: 00:09:34

Right.

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So then the thing would be, is that what will happen the next time?

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Now, you know, it's also, and I don't have it on the list here, there is something about how the world has had unusual levels of fog around the world.

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It's not just a fog here or there.

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We're talking massive areas under fog.

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And they're trying to figure out, well, what is contributing to that and why are the drones connected to where the fog is?

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And there is an unknown that is going on there.

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So that is another issue that we don't have an answer for it.

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So, but now let's get into the.

Tom Donen: 00:10:13

This weather guy, was it, I don't know what, he goes by his name.

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But the link is down there where people are noticing these strange cloud behaviors.

Tom Donen: 00:10:23

Did you see that?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:10:24

Yep.

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I was going to say about the, the sky phenomenon is.

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And with everything going on with all that stuff and how does that relate to the end times?

Tom Donen: 00:10:33

Well, I, I'll tell you right now of cloud phenomena, I'm not exactly sure other than it Kind of like indicates that that was there.

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A portal open there for just a moment, and the clouds responded to that atmospheric disturbance of the portal, leaving the clouds in a circle that was there.

Tom Donen: 00:10:54

Now, if the portal did open up, okay, what came through or what went out, you know, it's getting back to Skinwalker Ranch.

Tom Donen: 00:11:02

They see these things fly into mesas and come out of mesas, you know, and they're trying to figure out, how did that just happen?

Tom Donen: 00:11:08

Because that's their point in there.

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That's solid rock.

Tom Donen: 00:11:11

That's solid rock there.

Tom Donen: 00:11:12

How did that just happen?

Tom Donen: 00:11:14

And so now we're starting to see where things are coming and going.

Tom Donen: 00:11:17

These orbs, which they're starting to say are associated with the drones and another dynamic that is going on there, and they're saying that, okay, this has to be spiritual orbs.

Tom Donen: 00:11:30

It's got to be some kind of spiritual stuff.

Tom Donen: 00:11:33

And there's no connection.

Tom Donen: 00:11:34

How do you make sense of that?

Tom Donen: 00:11:35

I can't make sense of it.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:11:36

Yeah, exactly.

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That's why, you know, you mentioned the study that I'm doing.

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You know, I'm still researching all this stuff and.

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And, you know, about the portals and, you know, I mean, just to give a quick example, when Jesus walked through the door of the upper room, you know, I mean, they were in there, door was locked, they're hiding out, and Jesus standing, hello.

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How y'all doing?

Tom Donen: 00:12:01

Can you imagine the look on his face when he sees them?

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Right?

Tom Donen: 00:12:04

And they're.

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Yeah, you know, when it gets done, they're like.

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I mean, he's there.

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He said, got something to eat, you know, here, I'll handle me.

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You know, flesh out.

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It's me, it's me, you know, and then he says, all right, see you, and walks through the wall.

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They open the door and go out and look, he's gone.

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He's gone.

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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That to me, that is a portal of some sort.

Tom Donen: 00:12:29

That.

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That, you know, and.

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And that's where that study.

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That's how I got off into this study, you know, that, you know, heaven, hell, paradise, Earth, you know, when Adam and Eve fell, as is, God took them out of the garden, right?

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And that's paradise.

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Garden of Eden is paradise.

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Everything was there.

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He took them out and put them, if you read the Bible and it says, into the earth.

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There's our portal, you know, and.

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So.

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Well, how's all that related?

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You know, all this.

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That's what we're researching.

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That's what we're talking about.

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But when you talk about time.

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You know, the, the big argument.

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Well, if God always existed, when did he start type thing.

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Well that's, you know, when God said, or the Bible says in the beginning.

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Okay.

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The beginning of.

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That's where you start time.

Tom Donen: 00:13:24

Right.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:13:25

You, if you want a beginning of time, you have to start at the beginning.

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And the Bible is very clearly in Genesis 1:1.

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In the beginning.

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God, you know, I mean he created time right there.

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There's Earth's time frame right there.

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You know, the, the whole existence, the timeline we live on started right there.

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And at the end it says and we were, were with Christ, you know, and the heavenly Jerusalem and all that.

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There's another section of portal, you know, that comes.

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That's why I'm looking at it.

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So he had paradise, the fall.

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So took him out of there, put him over here.

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And then, you know, the rich man Lazarus, you know, he, he where he's in suffering and he can see.

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Well he wasn't in Earth, he was in Hades, right.

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So there's a portal there, but he can see the reward Abraham or Lazarus received.

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So that has to be a portal there.

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It's not Earth because they're bypassing that part, you know.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:14:31

Yeah.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:14:31

And then we know that ultimately we go to heavenly realm.

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And if you read this into the, the book of Revelation, chapter 22, that's the paradise.

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We're back in paradise.

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Why?

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Because that's where the tree of life is.

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If you read Genesis, I believe it's chapter four, three or four talks about, you know, he charged the angel with the, the flaming sword to keep the tree of life that were keep means to protect, you know, just like he, he told Adam in the garden.

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Is that, you know, to till and to keep the garden.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:15:14

If I give you a million dollars, say hey, keep this for me, right?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:15:19

I'm asking you to protect it, to take care of it.

Tom Donen: 00:15:22

Right?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:15:23

So he's, he told Adam keep the garden.

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That means to protect the garden.

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And when the serpent came in, he failed to do that.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:15:30

Right.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:15:31

Well, the tree of life was right there.

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So when they got put out, the Bible says the age with the flaming sword was there to keep the tree of life, to protect the tree of Life.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:15:43

And then Revelation 22, we're back with the tree of life again.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:15:48

So those are the different portals that I'm studying out to more or less tie in with what we're talking about here today.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:15:56

So to me that answers a lot of questions biblically about what we're seeing and how Jesus was able to, you know, Go from the heavenly portal back into the.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:16:08

Where the disciples were here in the earthly porter portal and then leave again, stuff like that.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:16:15

But you know, that's.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:16:16

That's just stuff that.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:16:17

That I'm looking at right now and the Lord has showed me and I'm doing the research on it to.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:16:22

To do an in depth study on it.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:16:24

But that just ties in with what we're talking about with these portals.

Tom Donen: 00:16:27

Yeah, exactly.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:16:29

Could it be demonic portals?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:16:31

I don't think it's heavenly portals because there's deception involved.

Tom Donen: 00:16:34

So there's no doubt in my mind is that you have two beings in the universe.

Tom Donen: 00:16:39

You know, this is what I try to tell people and I probably mentioned it before, you know, is that you have God in all this power and glory, you know, and you have the Trinity and you have all the angels that are there.

Tom Donen: 00:16:49

They have the power and the authority.

Tom Donen: 00:16:51

And then you have demons that used to be there and they.

Tom Donen: 00:16:53

They hate human beings because the human beings can go there and they don't want them to go what they.

Tom Donen: 00:16:58

And enjoy what they.

Tom Donen: 00:16:59

The problem is that they're powerful too.

Tom Donen: 00:17:02

And then you have us, right?

Tom Donen: 00:17:05

Then there's us that's got no power.

Tom Donen: 00:17:07

And we're stuck between two of these superpowers, right?

Tom Donen: 00:17:10

And then we're trying to make our way through this world and not open as many doors to evil as possible and closing them when we can and then having the heavenly experience and working our way as the apostle Paul says, you know, working out our salvation and moving forward.

Tom Donen: 00:17:26

But the thing is, is that this fluctuates back and forth.

Tom Donen: 00:17:29

But we are.

Tom Donen: 00:17:31

How would you say I want to be on the heaven side because the God who has power is love.

Tom Donen: 00:17:37

I mean the man, the God is power, right?

Tom Donen: 00:17:40

I mean not power.

Tom Donen: 00:17:41

He's love.

Tom Donen: 00:17:42

And on the other side, they hate us with a passionate is so terrible, horrible and unfathomable is that most of the people are going in that direction.

Tom Donen: 00:17:52

I'm trying to tell them, listen, this is going to be bad.

Tom Donen: 00:17:54

This is why we need Jesus.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:17:56

Yep, amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:17:58

And that brings us full circle, you know, I mean beside beyond the skies and the advancements closer to home.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:18:05

You know, stuff like in the integration of AI into our daily lives that we started with.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:18:10

You know, there's create.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:18:11

All this is creating new concerns about manipulation, about spiritual vulnerability in this world that's being dominated right now by technology.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:18:21

Don't you agree?

Tom Donen: 00:18:22

Oh, all right.

Tom Donen: 00:18:24

So you saw that.

Tom Donen: 00:18:25

That little Oriental guy.

Tom Donen: 00:18:28

I don't know if he was Korean or.

Tom Donen: 00:18:29

All right.

Tom Donen: 00:18:30

Was he a wealth of knowledge or what?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:18:34

He's a lot smarter than I am.

Tom Donen: 00:18:36

Oh, you know, talk about being on the cutting edge.

Tom Donen: 00:18:40

And he's talking about the new version of iPhones and, or, and I can't limit it to iPhones, but the ones they connect into the AI, they're purposely connecting it to the AI as if it's a good thing.

Tom Donen: 00:18:53

The thing is they're watching everything with an intelligence above our human awareness where it says that God knows us better than we know ourselves.

Tom Donen: 00:19:04

Well, AI is going to be right underneath that and they're going to know us better than we know ourselves with all the clicks and the likes and the views that we have and technology, the phone call conversations.

Tom Donen: 00:19:15

And then they take that information and what they do is they make, they offer something up that is just a little bit off mark to move us or hedges in a direction.

Tom Donen: 00:19:27

You know, like we've seen the media deceive the, the masses in the last four years or, or more.

Tom Donen: 00:19:32

Right.

Tom Donen: 00:19:33

And how sometimes people have, have bought a hook, line and sinker, but then now we're going to have a sly box of this AI misdirecting society and moving them in a direction and they believe that we're not even going to know that they're doing it because they're so sly.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:19:54

Yeah, that's right.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:19:55

And you know, just yesterday my daughter was here visiting and I don't remember what we were talking about, but she asked whatever it was she was looking for and because I had ordered something like that online and I said, I don't know, it was on Amazon and stuff that I got it from and you just have to Google it, you know, and she opened up her phone and goes, look.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:20:22

And her phone had already had it on the phone.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:20:26

It was listening to the conversation.

Tom Donen: 00:20:28

Yeah, I've had that.

Tom Donen: 00:20:29

When friends, they're talking between each other and they got Alexa right, and they're thinking, where do you want to go to eat?

Tom Donen: 00:20:35

Where do you want to go to eat?

Tom Donen: 00:20:35

And then all of a sudden, Alexa gives them an opportunity to choose by her, her recommendation.

Tom Donen: 00:20:41

Well, who, who prompted her to do that?

Tom Donen: 00:20:44

And what restaurant is on top of the list?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:20:47

Yeah, yeah.

Tom Donen: 00:20:47

How did she feel about that?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:20:49

She's like, this is weird.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:20:51

I said, look at this.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:20:52

We were just talking about this and, and there it is.

Tom Donen: 00:20:55

You know, I've had that happen.

Tom Donen: 00:20:56

I was shopping in a, in a, a leather shop, you know, where they made boots and, and vest and stuff and jackets like that.

Tom Donen: 00:21:03

And I got back to my hotel room and On Facebook was that store.

Tom Donen: 00:21:07

It's a commercial.

Tom Donen: 00:21:08

I'm in Gatlingburg, Tennessee.

Tom Donen: 00:21:11

How did it know that I was in that store?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:21:14

Yeah.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:21:15

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:21:15

That's right.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:21:16

And you know, you hear about, you know, like the government has the technology to pick up keywords, you know, so they can identify threats and all that stuff.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:21:28

That's exactly where all this stuff started.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:21:31

And now it's down at a retail level.

Tom Donen: 00:21:35

Yes.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:21:36

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:21:37

Well, how can we safeguard our minds and spirits against this subtle psychological operations that may arise from the technologies being developed?

Tom Donen: 00:21:50

All right, well, you see, that's the people that let's say that are in the world.

Tom Donen: 00:21:56

I don't.

Tom Donen: 00:21:57

It's going to take something pretty interesting to shake them to understand.

Tom Donen: 00:22:00

But those of us who have received Jesus gift of salvation at that moment, we have the Holy Spirit in us and he is an amazing guide in helping us understand these things.

Tom Donen: 00:22:10

Now, I'm a dreams and visions person, and what happens is that I will have information come to me by those avenues now.

Tom Donen: 00:22:19

Stuff that I shouldn't be able to know on my own.

Tom Donen: 00:22:22

I was there in last summer.

Tom Donen: 00:22:25

I'm grimacing to try to reach back.

Tom Donen: 00:22:27

Last summer I had two pastors ask me to come down to their town and.

Tom Donen: 00:22:32

And the Ozarks, so.

Tom Donen: 00:22:35

Because they're having some spiritual trouble down there.

Tom Donen: 00:22:37

And so I said, okay, you know, once I knew that God was sending me, I don't got a problem.

Tom Donen: 00:22:41

I know that he's going to be with me and I won't get a whooping because I get tired of getting that whooping, you know.

Tom Donen: 00:22:45

So I get down there and.

Tom Donen: 00:22:48

But when we had solidified the date that night, I had a dream.

Tom Donen: 00:22:52

And the dream was is that they have like occult curses everywhere, all over the landscape.

Tom Donen: 00:22:57

And I'm thinking, what has happened here?

Tom Donen: 00:23:00

Right?

Tom Donen: 00:23:01

So when I got there and arrived, it set up a couple of breakfasts so I could talk to pastors in the community.

Tom Donen: 00:23:08

And so the first pastor goes, well, what do you think about our town?

Tom Donen: 00:23:12

And then I told her what I just said to you, right?

Tom Donen: 00:23:15

And she looks at the pastor and she goes, did you tell him?

Tom Donen: 00:23:18

Right?

Tom Donen: 00:23:19

And he goes, no, I haven't told him a thing.

Tom Donen: 00:23:22

That's how God takes care of us.

Tom Donen: 00:23:24

He shares with us information that we need.

Tom Donen: 00:23:27

If we're being deceived, he shows us that we're being deceived.

Tom Donen: 00:23:30

No.

Tom Donen: 00:23:31

Or you open up the Bible and the Bible will give you a verse that shows, no, this is God's way.

Tom Donen: 00:23:36

And what you're experiencing here isn't God's way.

Tom Donen: 00:23:39

And we need that Holy Spirit to be able to separate the deception from the truth.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:23:44

Yeah.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:23:45

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:23:45

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:23:46

And as we reflect on this kind of extraordinary developments, I guess the ultimate question still remains.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:23:54

How can believers stay vigilant and spiritually grounded with all these rapidly unfolding changes we see happening around us?

Tom Donen: 00:24:03

Well, I like this thing about 2nd Chronicles 7:14.

Tom Donen: 00:24:07

Right.

Tom Donen: 00:24:08

I do believe that it is a formula.

Tom Donen: 00:24:10

If my people who call by my name, seek my face, humble themselves, pray, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear them from heaven.

Tom Donen: 00:24:18

And then it says that somewhere after that, I will heal their land.

Tom Donen: 00:24:23

Now, this can be individual, it can be corporate, it can be church, it could be communities and, you know, expands.

Tom Donen: 00:24:28

Right?

Tom Donen: 00:24:29

So the thing is, is that we have to set our hearts on God in order to be able to tap into his resources.

Tom Donen: 00:24:37

And sometimes it don't.

Tom Donen: 00:24:39

It doesn't come right away.

Tom Donen: 00:24:41

I mean, you really have to have your heart out there.

Tom Donen: 00:24:43

You really have to be present and you really want it.

Tom Donen: 00:24:46

And the biggest stumbling block today is, is that repentance.

Tom Donen: 00:24:50

I don't think people really understand what repentance is.

Tom Donen: 00:24:53

Right.

Tom Donen: 00:24:53

You can have head repentance, but it doesn't work.

Tom Donen: 00:24:56

Head repentance doesn't work.

Tom Donen: 00:24:58

Spiritual repentance is what works.

Tom Donen: 00:25:00

And then God says, okay, he's got it now.

Tom Donen: 00:25:03

And then he forgives that sin, and then we turn away from that and don't do that anymore.

Tom Donen: 00:25:08

That advances the kingdom of God.

Tom Donen: 00:25:10

That way we get more holiness, more purity, more we get closer to Him.

Tom Donen: 00:25:13

The closer we get to him, the more he wants to watch out for us.

Tom Donen: 00:25:16

Not only us, but those that we love in our families.

Tom Donen: 00:25:19

Salvation has come to.

Tom Donen: 00:25:21

To me and my household was told to.

Tom Donen: 00:25:23

What was that?

Tom Donen: 00:25:24

Zacchaeus?

Tom Donen: 00:25:24

No.

Tom Donen: 00:25:26

And so that's when we want that type of atmosphere, because it's not.

Tom Donen: 00:25:30

We're.

Tom Donen: 00:25:31

We're not, you know, lone rangers.

Tom Donen: 00:25:33

We have family, we have loved ones, we have friends that we want not to be deceived and come into this relationship.

Tom Donen: 00:25:40

And it's us pressing into God and His closeness that is going to help bring us to that and keep us safe under the shadow of his wings.

Tom Donen: 00:25:49

Psalm 91.

Tom Donen: 00:25:51

Right.

Tom Donen: 00:25:51

And placing a hedge of protection around us so that as those times are coming, that the demons will not be able to get to us because they'll say, oh, gee, you know, he's got a hedge of protection like Job.

Tom Donen: 00:26:03

Well, God, you take your hedge of protection away from Job.

Tom Donen: 00:26:06

You know, let's see what happens then.

Tom Donen: 00:26:08

Well, we know the hedge of protection is real, right?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:26:11

That's right.

Tom Donen: 00:26:11

It says it in Job.

Tom Donen: 00:26:12

We need that head to protection.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:26:14

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:26:15

That's right.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:26:15

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:26:16

Well, our discussion today, Tom, has revealed how advancing technology and unexplained phenomena challenges our understanding and urges us really to study the Bible more diligently for disservice, unwavering truth in these uncertain times.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:26:32

Tom, if someone has listened to us today and the Holy Spirit has put that spark in their heart that, you know, I.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:26:39

I just need Jesus, you know, would you lead them to the Lord in pray, please, as we get ready to close?

Tom Donen: 00:26:44

That would be an absolute honor.

Tom Donen: 00:26:47

I am on a ministry where I can chat with people around the world and two things are happening is that one, they're realizing that things are getting out of control and they need help and they pray for salvation.

Tom Donen: 00:26:57

And then you have those that have open doors to the demonic attacks and it's so bad they're running for help.

Tom Donen: 00:27:04

And I seem to encounter them wherever they are in the world.

Tom Donen: 00:27:07

And I just had two instances today when I was doing that.

Tom Donen: 00:27:10

The big part is, is that I told one person, one time, I said, listen, you need Jesus because he's the authority to overcome these things.

Tom Donen: 00:27:18

And I think maybe a light bulb went on at that point.

Tom Donen: 00:27:20

And that's why we want salvation, is be.

Tom Donen: 00:27:23

Be able to have that in our lives.

Tom Donen: 00:27:25

So.

Tom Donen: 00:27:26

So for the listener, let's pray that the prayer of invitation to Jesus right now and pray with me, the listener.

Tom Donen: 00:27:34

Dear Father God, I thank you for your son Jesus and the work he did on the cross.

Tom Donen: 00:27:41

He shed his blood for the remission of sins, for.

Tom Donen: 00:27:44

For the payment of sins.

Tom Donen: 00:27:46

And Father, I tell you that I am a sinner.

Tom Donen: 00:27:49

I am sorry for the pain my sins have caused you and Jesus, and I ask that you would please forgive me now.

Tom Donen: 00:27:57

By his shed blood, I invite him to come into my heart and into my life.

Tom Donen: 00:28:01

And I want to live for you in Jesus name.

Tom Donen: 00:28:03

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:04

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:05

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:06

Praise God.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:07

Praise God.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:08

Time with someone to reach out to you and ask a question, maybe do an interview like this.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:11

How can they do that?

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:12

How can someone get in touch with you?

Tom Donen: 00:28:14

il address is healingthenation: 1776

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:21

I'll put links all this in the show notes below.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:24

Folks, if today's discussion sparked your curiosity or deepened your faith, connect with Tom.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:32

Get in touch with Tom Donner right now for more insights into this stuff.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:35

Reach out to explore how these extraordinary developments align with biblical prophecy and gain clarity in these turbulent times that we live in.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:45

Just click the links down below.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:46

Reach out to Tom right now while you're thinking about it.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:48

Don't wait because you know the devil's going to try and make you forget all about it.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:51

Get in touch while you're thinking about it.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:53

Amen.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:53

Tom, thank you again for taking time to come back on the program.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:28:57

Catch us all up on all of this weird but interesting things that we see coming to pass around us all the time.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:29:04

I do appreciate your help, buddy.

Tom Donen: 00:29:06

Thank you, Pastor.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:29:08

Amen, folks.

Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:29:09

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Pastor Bob Thibodeau: 00:29:11

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Pastor Bob: 00:29:16

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Pastor Bob: 00:29:20

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Pastor Bob: 00:29:44

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Pastor Bob: 00:29:50

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